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08-03-2017 , 04:40 AM
Hi guys posting here as book section dosent get much love. Getting back into poker and only playing love tournaments. I already have theory of poker, super system, ace on the river, Harringtons ones, guys hansen's. Little green book, kill Phil, kill everyone. I'm refreshing my memory and I'm wondering what books can I still get something out of and which new ones would you recommend? I noticed there's some from Jonathan little are these any good, playing tournaments live so any help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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08-03-2017 , 09:45 AM
I have Jonathan Little's small stakes cash game book and there's a lot of useful information there. Check out his tournament books as I'm sure they are similar in quality. Also, excelling at no limit Holdem (also by him)
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08-03-2017 , 02:52 PM
I'm wondering if anyone would like to weigh in on a nuub reading Harrington on Hold 'em in 2017? Specifically, does it hold up and is it a good base for MTT even if it is out dated?
Thank you for any response.
cheers
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08-05-2017 , 09:07 PM
As far as the Harrington books are concerned, I don't think you can go wrong with them as far as building a good strong foundation. My question is, are you better off just reading his updated version which came out a few years ago OR sticking with the classic original series which were masterpieces? Maybe others can way in on this?
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08-07-2017 , 10:55 AM
Read The Grinder's Manual instead of Harrington.
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08-07-2017 , 11:21 AM
'Poker Math that Matters' is the first book I would read if I was starting out again
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08-07-2017 , 11:27 AM
expert HUNL vol. 1+2 by NL if you wanna learn how to go deep in the rabbit hole
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08-07-2017 , 01:52 PM
"Grinders Manual" and "Expert HUNL Vol. 1 and 2" are cash game books. OP requested suggestions for MTT's.
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08-07-2017 , 04:47 PM
Jungleman himself said that he doesn't know of any good book for NLHE, they are mostly out dated. Take a RunItOnce subscription or something

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08-07-2017 , 05:00 PM
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Jungleman himself said that he doesn't know of any good book for NLHE, they are mostly out dated. Take a RunItOnce subscription or something

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if you're referencing the AMA he only said he doesn't know any 6 max book (he's better than any author so why would he care).
You added in the bolded.
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08-07-2017 , 05:18 PM
the mental game of poker (dont remember exact name) really good and will help you for sure. gl
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08-07-2017 , 10:53 PM
Hands Down, No Limit Hold'em Theory and Practice, by David Slansky and Ed Miller.
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08-08-2017 , 01:19 AM
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Read The Grinder's Manual instead of Harrington.
this X100

If you are playing cash the Grinders Manual plus Tendlers & Jandas books, then quit books and get a subscription to a coaching channel.
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08-08-2017 , 02:12 AM
Hi guys thanks for the flurry of msgs. I am going to be playing primarily live mtt's so looking for good books regarding that. I have theory of poker, tournament poker for advanced players, little green book, HOH 1&2, kill Phil, every hand revealed. I may look into cash down the track but that's not in my plans currently.
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08-08-2017 , 02:58 PM
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if you're referencing the AMA he only said he doesn't know any 6 max book (he's better than any author so why would he care).
You added in the bolded.
Yeah, SplitSuit's book for full ring now comes to mind now.

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08-08-2017 , 07:47 PM
just bought one thanks
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08-08-2017 , 08:30 PM
What time length blind levels do the tournaments that you'll be playing have? If they're 20-30 minute blind levels, then you'll want to read low-limit tournament(which are usually those time levels) books and fast tournament(again usually those levels) books. These types of books might address some important things about faster tournaments that higher buy-in, slow tournament books might not.
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08-08-2017 , 08:52 PM
Do you know of any books that specifically talk about these lower limit/faster tournaments?
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08-09-2017 , 12:50 PM
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I am going to be playing primarily live mtt's
If that's the case I don't really think you need any books. Maybe the Kill Phil and Kill Everyone books are a necessity but honestly you probably don't need to read em to beat live mtts. I've never read a tourney book in my life and have played >700 mtts on just one site and I have an roi over 10% during the past three years. Looking at exclusively nlh tourneys between 5 and 20 dollars a pop, my roi is >22%. I've always believed that the mind is the most powerful weapon at the poker table and this will always be true imo. Thanks John Rambo.

I suggest you play a bunch of tourneys online over the next few years if you really wanna get better at tourney poker. Here's my study guide for you and others that are in the same boat:

1) download equilab, which is free, or any equity calculator. Then study the important spots that come up frequently. Hint: relatively speaking, the river is the most infrequent decision point that you will encounter, yet the bets are the biggest. So there's a trade off of learning ev there. However, I think that nailing down some decent, approved, suggested, tried and true starting ranges will benefit you very much, perhaps more than any postflop study. Most equity calculators come with suggested ranges. These may be tweaked for tourney play, which is very dependent on not only your stack, but the other stacks involved.

2) Study flop texture and how it affects betsizing and range construction.

3) Study turn and river situations.

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When it comes down to making decisions at the table at game speed, I like to keep it as simple as possible. If you do all of the above, you will be in a much better position to make the most profitable play without stressing over the little stuff that will only distract you.

Most importantly, above all else, is some great advice that I got across the chess board way back when:

"Make a plan, and stick to it."

So if your plan is to build a big pot with a strong hand vs a spewy player in the hopes of stacking him, never ever ever change your mind in the middle of the hand and level yourself into folding. That would be a terrible mistake. You got the desired result and you should go for 1st place by hoping to stack him or her. So what if he shoved over your bet for 6 pots? You have a read and you built a big pot with a good hand. Folding here would be a major disaster. You're gonna lose sometimes of course to coolers, but the nature of poker profits is in the law of reciprocal events. Everyone loses to coolers, with the exception of the super nits that are too scared to lose their stack. These very tight players will often cash and make money, however you will only see them win tourneys on rare occasions when they run super hot. In most cases, you'll see them milking a short stack near the bubble and they will often lose to bad hands. They constantly blame bad luck. What they don't realize is that they are missing tons of betting and calling value earlier in the tourney that would help them win much more often.

Ok I'm gonna stop rambling now.

good luck.
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08-09-2017 , 06:07 PM
Great post, thanks! It is rare these days .
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08-10-2017 , 03:35 AM
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"Make a plan, and stick to it."
no this is just wrong esp in live poker

its true in most cases but not being willing to deviate from your plan is just wrong.
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08-10-2017 , 08:18 AM
Grinders Manual
Lot of people adviced it
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08-10-2017 , 12:40 PM
Read some reviews (or ask questions to the actual authors) in the Books forum: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/33...-publications/
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08-10-2017 , 12:44 PM
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no this is just wrong esp in live poker

its true in most cases but not being willing to deviate from your plan is just wrong.
I should have been more specific. I think that you should always stick to the plan during a hand. However, after the hand is over you'll often have new information to work with and then it's often correct to change your plan.

Maybe you could give an example of changing the plan mid hand? I'm having trouble contriving examples at the moment.
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08-11-2017 , 11:45 AM
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I should have been more specific. I think that you should always stick to the plan during a hand. However, after the hand is over you'll often have new information to work with and then it's often correct to change your plan.

Maybe you could give an example of changing the plan mid hand? I'm having trouble contriving examples at the moment.
esp in live

you have ak vs an aggro fish and check a jj9 board planing on calling turn+river and get over jammed after a blank turn+river

you have 33 on q22 HU and call a small cbet planning on trying to get to river cheaply and straightforward old man bets small again on blank turn

plans are good like I'm gonna cbet and call any raise, I'm gonna bet flop and bet blank turns as a bluff. It makes sure you don't make huge mistakes with hands. It makes sure you don't chicken out with your hand and commits you to the correct course if your plan is right. However poker is an ever changing enviroment and being able to deviate will help you alot.
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