Hands better multiway than not? - Page 3 - Beginning Poker Questions

the_spike · 02-08-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Oxlong

Humor escapes you doesnt it?

Obscure, weak humor does occasionally, yes. It's just as well we saw some actual numbers, anyway.

Mike Oxlong · 02-08-2012, 02:16 PM

You can tell the priest no.

PM me if you wanna chat i worry about you.

quadas · 02-08-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spike

Absolutey horrible.

Now, you could make an argument for folding aces in a tournament based on some sort of ICM, but folding aces and then calling with 98s is absolutely horrible. Like really, really horrible. Show me a scenario where this is even close to making any sense, that doesn't involve every one else having hands like 87, 32, and 63.

360,619,776 games 0.956 secs 377,217,338 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.479% 01.82% 28.66% 6549336 103365288.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 30.479% 01.82% 28.66% 6549336 103365288.00 { AA }
Hand 2: 00.084% 00.00% 00.08% 0 304128.00 { 22 }
Hand 3: 00.084% 00.00% 00.08% 0 304128.00 { 22 }
Hand 4: 00.084% 00.00% 00.08% 0 304128.00 { 33 }
Hand 5: 00.084% 00.00% 00.08% 0 304128.00 { 33 }
Hand 6: 00.100% 00.02% 00.08% 56376 304128.00 { 44 }
Hand 7: 00.100% 00.02% 00.08% 56376 304128.00 { 44 }
Hand 8: 38.504% 38.42% 00.08% 138548880 304128.00 { 9c8c }

98s huge favorite over AA!

statmanhal · 02-08-2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan

Tell me if I'm starting to get this:

Against 9 opponents your AA will "only" win 31% of the time, but against 1 opponent it will win 86% of the time. So at face value that may look bad, but if you bet $10 on AA against 9 opponents 100 times, you should win 31 of them, and each time you'll win $90, with 31*$90=$2790. Against 1 opponent you'll win 86 times but you'll only win $860.

So if you do go AI with AA, get several callers, and someone outdraws you, you just have to tell yourself, take your lumps, it was the right decision, get back on the horse.

That the idea?

Almost. You forgot to include the amount you lose for each case. To support spike's conclusion, here is an EV graph for an all-in $100 bet holding aces against 1 to 9 opponents with random hands. The more opponents the greater the EV but it starts to level off at 6 opponents.

By statmanhal at 2012-02-08

the_spike · 02-14-2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by quadas

98s huge favorite over AA!

A bit of a stretch, but OK :-)