If a player has an overall raising range of 20% in a six-max cash game, how would you asign a range for each position?

UTG, UTG+1, CO and button?

Would it be 10-15-20-25%?

Would it be 13-18-23-30%?

And why?

I am grappling with this as I attempt to hone my hand-reading skills (early days yet!), and hope others can shed light on how to approach this aspect of hand reading.

have you got pokerstove?

I think a good range UTG is like, 9% 66+ AJo+ ATs+ KQ something like that.

And BTN I'm definitely playing a fair bit more than 30%, closer to 37%

Im presuming if I look up some ranges for UTG+! and CO I'll find that UTG + 1 is <15 ~12/13 and CO will be a bit higher than 20%, maybe 23 is right. Just use stove, type in some numbers, make adjustments.

Oh and make adjustments based on cards you see him show.

And make notes. I think as a bare minimum, you should be making notes every time you see his cards at showdown.

Thanks for the reply chad0x00.

I am trying to look at how to read what other players raising ranges are for each position, when all I have to go on is his overall raising range percentage.

Am I looking at hand-reading in an incorrect way?

Yeah I understand what youa re saying. What Im saying is that you are doing it right - you have an overall percentage, you know UTG will be lower than the average, BTN will be higher and you have assigned a percentage to each. Thats all good. Now Im saying put those percentages into pokerstove and look at the hands it throws up. Thats the basis for what your opponents play in each position. Then you need to make adjustments. You know that is just a computer generated list so you can knock out some of its choices and add in others. on the button, you'd surely be playing 89s for instance. At the percentages you have given, that hand would not be included in the computers guesstimate.

See what I mean? if not - Im sure someone else will explain it another way

Welcome to 2+2 by the way. You've coem to the right place.

what site are you playing? What limits?

Am I to take it that the 20% figure will fall between UTG+1 and the CO, with perhaps the BTN figure being nearly twice as big as the average, and UTG being about half the average?

ie: an overall opening range of 20% would divide up into approximately 10-15-25-35%?

Thanks for the 11:18am reply, chad0x00, which I didn't see until after I'd posted my 11:24am reply.

I have pokerstove and am using it as you suggest, and showdowns definitely allow you to work out where a players range is, as well.

I just had this nagging doubt in the back of my mind about how to ration out an opening range based on position.

I'm not on a site yet (I will do), I'm using the Wilson cash game DVD and also MasterPoker from Amazon until I'm sure I can hit the ground running when I eventually join a site, which will probably be PokerStars.

that looks about right to me. a bit lower UTG probably ~8% how come you dont talk about SB and BB ?

Anyway. The way you are thinking about it, looks right to me. over time you get used to the numbers and you know what kinds of hands to expect. its good to put time in away from the table looking at numbers in pokerstove to reinforce what you see at the tables.

edit: are you UK? You are already thinking above the level of most of the players at 2nl on stars. if you've got $50, you should deposit and start putting some of the theory into practise.

Yes, I'm in Bristol.

What is 2nl, is that 0.01cent - 0.02cents? I assume that's the level everyone should start at.

I know that the SB and BB are somewhat different, and didn't want to complicate matters.

Thanks for the help.

Usually you get this information from some kind of hand tracking programm like as Pokertraker or Hold'em Manager. They both should display the Raiseing %age per position (early, middle, co / btn, blinds) when you move over it with the mouse.

Dunno how it works in Pokertracker, because I am useing Hold'em manager currently.

Also: yes 2nl is is 0.01 / 0.02 cent in NL hold em.

btw: do not overadjust on 2NL. In the beginning you can play tight enough and should hold back with raising >30% if you are not sure how to proceed with drawing hands etc. pp postflop.

Thanks egoismforever.

With Hold'em manager, can you have it running on tables when you are just an "observer" and not actually taking part in the game?

I've read that players use HUD's when multi-tabling, so I assume it can be also be used on tables when you are not playing.

If you're assigning ranges to positions, you're assuming that your villain is aware of the meaning of position. A ton of villains aren't, at low stakes. So a ton of villains who open 20% will be opening the same 20% from every position at the table.

And some villains who are very positionally aware might also be aware that early-position raises look very strong. If your opponents are going to think you have a really strong hand preflop, that gives you a lot of advantages postflop. So some thinking villains might also have a wider range UTG than you'd expect.

no, you cannot stat mine at tables when you are an observer. only when you are in the game. using hem or pokertracker, you should be abloe to hover your mouse over their vpip/pfr stats and see their by position stats breakdown.