My tracker doesn't show a profit for 22-55 at all, and I've not even bothered filtering for position.

But I'm still not going to drop them from my raising range ofc.

OK, I've re-opened my database and got a screen shot, I must have changed the filters somehow because it went up a bit.



EDIT

Not sure what you're saying about the win rate though, this is bb/100. So I average 4.8bb per hand.

For comparison, AA is running at about 1,400bb/100 this year - but that's only 14bb per hand.

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# of players from 2 to 6. UTG isn't so bad when # of players is 2 or 3. When I checked mine, I checked for exactly 6 players.

Or maybe your software only counts it as EP if there are 6 people there. If so, winrate looks real real good.

Well I filtered 2 to 6 so as to pick up 6 max games only. I don't play HU so I was trying to filter out nitring. Could filter for exactly 6 and see what happens.

EDIT

No change, so maybe it's just picking up based on game format rather than exact number of players. Anyways, average players would be 5.5 IIRC.

You can open something like this:

EP: 12%

Pairs: 55+
Suited Aces: ATs+
SC: JTs+ T9s+ 98s+
Suited High Cards: KTs+ QTs+
High Card Hands: AJ+ KQ+



MP 18%:

Pairs: 22+
Suited Aces: A5s+
SC: T9s+ 98s+ 87s+
SG: J9s+ T8s+
Suited High Cards: KTs+ QTs+ JTs+
High Card Hands: AT+ KJ+


CO: 25%:

Pairs: 22+
Suited Aces: A9s, A2s-A5s
SC: T9s+ 98s+
SG: J9s+
Suited High Cards: K9s+ Q9s+ J9s+
High Card Hands: AT+ KJ+ QJ+


Button: 40-80%


Pairs: 22+
Suited Aces: A2s+
SC: T9s+ 98s+ 87s+ 76s+ 65s+ 54s+ 43s+
SG: T6s+ 96s+ 85s+ 74s+ 63s+ 53s+
Suited High Cards: K2s+ Q4s+ J5s+
High Card Hands: A2+ K7+ Q8+ J9+ T9+

SB 35-40%: (46% below)

Pairs: 22+
Suited Aces: A2s+
SC: T9s+ 98s+ 87s+ 76s+ 65s+ 54s+
SG: T7s+ 97s+ 86s+ 75s+ 64s+
Suited High Cards: K2s+ Q7s+ J7s+
High Card Hands: A8+ K9+ QT+ JT+


SB Isolation:
Pairs: 88+
Suited Aces: ATs+
Suited High Cards: KTs+
High Card Hands: AJ+ KQ+


BB Isolation:
vs SB Open Call: Raise Button Range

- Iso fish with your opening ranges from the relevant positions.

Thanks for checking. I'm on a new database with a very small sample size, but I auto-fold 55-22 UTG nowadays, so my winrate in that scenario would be zero right now.

That's really impressive actually. I've seen players manage to roughly break even with 55-22 UTG at nanostakes, but 4bb per hand is insanely high. (There are a ton of hands that everyone plays that make less than 1bb/hand in the long run). I can only marvel at your set-flopping skills or ability to get people to fold out their 50% equity, and I hope you can continue to do well with the small pairs if/when you move up.

22-55 are marginal as can be but they are profitable opens on a lot of tables if you're playing well. AJo on the other hand is pretty awful yet no one seems to go on about it as much.

For the sake of a beginner who understands how to exploit people with c-bets in a vacuum 22-55 are fine and I think AJo is also fine for a beginner.

Well, I think it bolsters the argument that we should open raise all pairs UTG anyway.

I table select like a mofo too, that probably helps. Like I play 8 to 12 tables and dump them as soon as I don't have a fish (by 2NL standards) to my immediate right or one space over.

I've been thinking of writing a post in this forum specifically about annihilating 2NL, kind of an update to Sir Cuddles guide but for 2NL 6max only...I tweaked my game a bit and have been running at nearly 20bb/100 for the last 100K.

Yep agreed, I guess people don't talk about AJ as much because baby pairs are considered simpler to play i.e. set up or dump. No kicker issues.

All PP are profitable for me from UTG over 100k+ EP hands. 22-55 are roughly 5bb/100. AJo is pretty profitable as well but ATo isn't.

Wait are you talking about fullring? Folding 22-55 anywhere has to be a leak in 6max.

I do that, too. If there are 3 or 4 tables going, I play all of them if not, I add the two 5nl tables going. Game selection, carefully play all of them. Problem?

Table selection is so easy at 2NL (and 5NL), it seems silly not to do it. I mean I guess if you want to autobot 24 tables it might be a chore.

I think you miss the point, on smaller US facing sites, there aren't any tables to select among. I'm playing every table or all but 1-2 and thus can't choose. There aren't 24 total tables going in the micros across all limits. Game selection is a Stars and Party thing. I'm playing 3 to 4 only. If I wanted more I'm adding limits.

I could miss the point again and suggest you play on Stars but I try to avoid outright douchebaggery on this forum

Automatically playing 22-55 for a single raise is a big leak.

Also @DougL AFAIK most US players play multiple sites at once.

Right but that's not what I said.

At tables full of regs it's definitely fine to fold them UTG unless you have a big edge. Can even fold them with a fish depending on the fish's position.

I've been folding 55-22 UTG at 6-max fast-fold 5NL and 10NL. I don't generally set-mine with them either. Maybe I'll start playing 55 UTG to see how that goes, but I prefer J9s to be honest.

I echo others' thoughts about AJo and ATo. Those hands are really troublesome, but I can't bring myself to fold pre just yet. I'll be looking closely at those hands when I next do a database review.

I'll play 22-55 OOP sometimes if it's a table where the only PF raise is a minraise to setmine, but more often than not, you're not going to hit the flop.

Didn't this seem odd to you when you typed it out? Like, 48bb/100 is ~1/3 of 1400bb/100?

You're winning about one SB/hand (0.48bb).

Sadly no, it didn't at the time

So much wrong in one post. NL2 isn't supposed to be "annihilated" it's the entry level for people learning the game.

You open 55 UTG to take down the pot, not setmine because you'll rarely hit your set.

Oh so sorry, I didn't know I was allowed to get good at beating 2NL. Now you've told me that, I will stop playing immediately and move up.

I don't have Blackrain's contact details handy but perhaps you could let him know as well? He'll probably want to pull Crushing the Micros from the market since you have spoken on the subject.