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05-26-2017 , 12:21 PM
Live 1/3 NL, effective stacks 150-400

Hero is SB with Ah9s

MP limps
MP1 limps
folds to Villain in BTN who limps

Hero raises to 15, BB folds and other 3 call

Flop: 863h (Pot $65)

Hero bets $30
MP folds
MP1 folds
Villain raises to $60 (Pot $155)
Hero jams for $125 more

Turn/river run out dry and Villain shows QhJh

Villain was playing tight but starting to see more action. This was obviously a semi-bluff that didn't go right. I believe I had the equity to shove though:

EV = (30)*(405) - (70)*(125) = +33.5

Is there any reason to just call here? Or is this a WAWB situation and I'm either folding/shoving?
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05-26-2017 , 01:13 PM
Is it a monotone flop? I'm not sure why you think it's a WAWB situation. What are you way ahead of? You have ace-nine high on 863m (I think) that was 4-handed and your c-bet got raised. The fact that you block flushes makes it a bit more likely that villain has a set or two pairs, but if he did flop the flush, you're drawing to 7 outs. Good luck with your 29% equity vs flushes or sets. I haven't done the precise math, but it's usually only a profitable jam if villain is capable of folding to your bluff. Since you're raising less than pot, I guess you're setting yourself the right odds, but you're always getting it in bad.

FWIW I would not iso-raise 3 limpers with A9o in the SB, and I would usually check the flop to see what happens.
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05-26-2017 , 01:25 PM
Hi, a interesting situation here. As you calculated you had a equity to make the call. So I think you can make the call to turn and reavalition the action to river. If you put the villain in XXh so you have 7 outs. On turn you have ~14 % to hit the outs and turn and turn you have ~28% to hit. As you said the villain was tigth and on this board that more for sb and bb he re-rease you I see more value beat than a bluff.

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05-26-2017 , 05:08 PM
Raising pre out of position without fold equity with A9o is not a winning play. Just complete and take the cheap flop.
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05-26-2017 , 07:17 PM
I don't mind a raise OTB with multiple limps in front of me (wud be absolute bottom of my range for raising over your avg loose passive limping range),

Think about if you can get called by worse and if you are ahead of their limping range(s) + your position which means more equity realizaiton.
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05-26-2017 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
Raising pre out of position without fold equity with A9o is not a winning play. Just complete and take the cheap flop.
I aggre. Just limp because you have odds and +ev from this move with A9o.

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05-27-2017 , 02:27 AM
You did read the villain correctly, he was just trying to match any pair on his connectors. He definitely was not semi-bluffing, he was thinking, "I want J or Q to hit because they are face cards." He probably would have raised preflop with AK or any pocket pair, and the fact he was playing tight previously shows that he likely did not hit on a board like 863 where every card is less than 10.

You played the flop very well. If the villain shoves, you fold. If he does a small bet, you shove. You used your early position to force the villain to show he was drawing. If he had simply called your $30 bet, he would have definitely folded when he didn't hit the turn. You forced him to get his money in while he was already behind.

Well played!

Edit: Don't listen to anyone saying that playing with A9 is a losing play. The whole fun of poker is playing any hand we want and folding with any hand we want!
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05-27-2017 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstPlaceOrBust
You did read the villain correctly, he was just trying to match any pair on his connectors. He definitely was not semi-bluffing, he was thinking, "I want J or Q to hit because they are face cards." He probably would have raised preflop with AK or any pocket pair, and the fact he was playing tight previously shows that he likely did not hit on a board like 863 where every card is less than 10.

You played the flop very well. If the villain shoves, you fold. If he does a small bet, you shove. You used your early position to force the villain to show he was drawing. If he had simply called your $30 bet, he would have definitely folded when he didn't hit the turn. You forced him to get his money in while he was already behind.

Well played!

Edit: Don't listen to anyone saying that playing with A9 is a losing play. The whole fun of poker is playing any hand we want and folding with any hand we want!
Villain had a flush on the flop, didn't he?

And raising A9o in the sb after a few limpers is bad strategically. Sure, if the goal is to have fun and raising A9o here will help you have fun, then sure, do it. But it is a "losing play".
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05-27-2017 , 10:26 AM
In future just post the hand upto where villain raises and don't include results..
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05-27-2017 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Is it a monotone flop? I'm not sure why you think it's a WAWB situation. What are you way ahead of? You have ace-nine high on 863m (I think) that was 4-handed and your c-bet got raised. The fact that you block flushes makes it a bit more likely that villain has a set or two pairs, but if he did flop the flush, you're drawing to 7 outs. Good luck with your 29% equity vs flushes or sets.
He's way ahead of KQx and hands like that. We obv. have no clue if villain would (semi)bluff raise them though. But if hero is capable of shoving a hand like that, villain might be capable of raising..

No matter what, hero gets >5:1 to call the minraise, so everything but calling the flop might be a pretty big mistake while calling should be fine in (almost) any case.

Raising preflop is obv. spew.
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05-31-2017 , 01:49 AM
Thanks you so much
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