Dont worry about what people say in chat. People have told me multiple times to go die a painful death by burning in a fire and/or get cancer....

But the way you played the hand was really lol

You lost alot of value on turn river but anyone who berates anyone in chat is the idiot. Don't listen to it.

Hi Guys, could you please answer this question. Which on line poker site is the best to play. I am sick of playing on 888 and being made to look like a plonker, I seem to get done more often than not by some idiot who has a poor pocket cards but won't give up and developes a winning hand on the river

it sounds like you should play on 888

so you are complaining that bad players play at your site? REALLY?

Bet turn and bet river for me. But this is an interesting one...

I understand that I could have raised on the river, but don't I want to induce a bluff from him by checking the river? . If you check to induce a bluff, and then he bluffs, calling is generally not optimal then OTR. Likewise if you want him to spazz further min-raise his bluff.

I wonder what drives a person that's been playing poker for at least 8 years to troll a beginners thread. Boredom or busto is my best guess

[ ] reg
[ ] 5nl


pick one.

Am i the only one who folds pre ?

The only real horrible thing is not c/r the river. But I probably just lead out in 5nl

With 40:1 implied odds? Nothing wrong with folding, but if you stack your opponent as little as 20% of the time you flop a set, the call is +EV.

You forget that you allso lose your stack to a higher set or a flush/straight sometimes i think as well as the chance that the big blind squeezes when you call.

Not that it is a huge mistake. Its pretty close i suppose, but for me 22 is a fold in the SB, regardless of stacksize.

The flop is probably similar. Its not a huge mistake to call, but imo a fold nonetheless. A bit read depending, maybe you could call against those who like to stab once.

Turn makes sense, he was the one betting, its unfortunate he doesnt bet again. (though the big chance of him not betting again was the reason to call the flop in the first place)

I don't know why but this post killed me lol


To contribute to the thread though, I think you should have lead out on the turn and the river at the very least. I woulda folded the flop but considering he had a high c-bet %, calling wasn't a bad play at all imo. especially on a board like that where it's either gonna hit someone hard or not at all

I don't know about turning off the chat though, yes comments like that can throw you off your game but learning how to handle that **** and stay on your game is better imo

Bolded part is monsters under the bed. I'll hammer home the point that when you flop a set, you're supposed to stack your opponent. If you stacked sometimes yourself, that's life. Playing scared is -EV.

If you get squeezed you fold.

But again, there's nothing wrong with folding small pairs OOP, since most of the time, you're just going to check-fold post flop, and if the raiser is a nit, you won't stack him very often when you hit your set, but thise guys are few and far between at 5NL.

Its not about mmonsters under the bed its about less EV than you might think.

Its like this:

88% you get no set and the value of your hand is very minimal with 22 OOP. Sometimes you win unimproved, sometimes you pay 1 street only to showdown on the river vs his unimproved 55 etc.
out of the 12% you do get a set:
8% you get only little value, 1 street on average because your opponent didnt hit.
3% you get 2-3 streets of value because he has TPTK, 2 pair or a draw which does not hit.
0.5% you get his stack because he got TPTK and overplays it so manages to lose his stack even though he is IP.
0.5% you lose your stack because he got a better set or drew out on you.

You can say its monsters under the bed, but really the chances of an extremely positive outcome arent that huge either. And when the stack to pot ratio is big, your opponent should only get his stack in when he does in fact beat you. You are OOP, he is the one to decide when stacks are going in.

And getting squeezed 10% of the time preflop is also a significant extra cost.

Heads Up against somebody you perceive to be a decent reg, who doesn't do much double and triple barreling. I tend to agree with you Arjen, I'd probably just go ahead and fold this pre. There are much better candidates for both calling and for light 3-betting here than 22.

Actually you are not that behind against an early position opening range. You should have around 40% equity (I just pokerstove'd it). It's not a bad call IMO.

Being behind or ahead of his range is rather moot. Who cares if you are ahead of his range or not.
You are OOP. That is so much more important.

You dont know when you are ahead or behind. How are you going to get value of his worse hands without paying too much to his better ones ? How are you going to prevent being bluffed off the best hand without paying too much to his better ones ?

if he's a tag then yea 98% of the time you're an idiot for not folding the flop but there are exceptions

Not sure where all those percentages (other than the 12%) come from, but in theory, that's why I don't hate folding pre flop and my main point is the times you call are all opponent dependent, so you should be calling only when the probability is there of getting more value when you do flop the set.

Grunch. Since it's a reg, reply "umadbro?" and follow up with "lolumad" next time you win a big pot off him. If it was a fish though, just ignore.

w/ 22 I would've folded to any bets post flop that didn't hit trips, since all pairs beat 22