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11-30-2015 , 02:21 AM
I've been getting slow-rolled lately in random spots vs. random Villains who I have no history with, words haven't been exchanged, no dynamic, etc. Like e.g., earlier tonight in an MTT some guy I have 5 hands on open jams UTG at <10bbs (except he just raised 99% of his stack leaving few chips behind), I make standard jam OTB w/A9, blinds fold, V tanks entire timebank and clicks call with few seconds left, showing AK.

I consider this rude, just like any other situation in life where people act in a minorly impolite manner, such as not holding the door for someone directly behind you. Like, c'mon man, there's such thing as losing and not being a douche, and there's definitely such thing as winning and not being a douche.

Am I but a young, naive lad who has yet to experience enough of the world to develop the proper dosage of cynicism required for such situations? Is internet poker just hopelessly and perennially mired in a cesspool of maladjusted, spiteful, and angry people? Do I need thicker skin? Should I meditate more often?

Thank you for your attention to this important issue.
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11-30-2015 , 02:49 AM
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Is poker just hopelessly and perennially mired in a cesspool of maladjusted, spiteful, and angry people?
Sadly, the answer to this question is yes. Once you accept this it becomes much easier to control your emotions as nothing will surprise you or put you off.
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11-30-2015 , 02:53 AM
No, you are correct. It is very poor poker etiquette. One thing you have to be careful of online though, is the fact that its easy to believe you were slow rolled when in fact there are a million reasons why a player could have been delayed in making his play. IE action on another table, answering the phone, lag, yada yada. Its just hard to tell tbh. I generally give players the benefit of doubt online for this reason as apposed to in a live setting where its cut and dry that someone is just being a dick.
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11-30-2015 , 03:19 AM
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when in fact there are a million reasons why a player could have been delayed in making his play.
This

In fact it is highly unlikely you were slow rolled unless you all ready had this player marked as a fish (or worse).

Any reg, or anybody playing more than one table is highly unlikely to dwell on a click on a successful hand as they will always be wanting to immediately carry out another task.
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11-30-2015 , 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
guy I have 5 hands on open jams UTG at <10bbs (except he just raised 99% of his stack leaving few chips behind), I make standard jam OTB w/A9,

A9 is standard vs utg shove? really?
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11-30-2015 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by xMars
A9 is standard vs utg shove? really?
Yes. Irrelevant to thread. Pretend I had AQ.

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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
No, you are correct. It is very poor poker etiquette. One thing you have to be careful of online though, is the fact that its easy to believe you were slow rolled when in fact there are a million reasons why a player could have been delayed in making his play. IE action on another table, answering the phone, lag, yada yada. Its just hard to tell tbh. I generally give players the benefit of doubt online for this reason as apposed to in a live setting where its cut and dry that someone is just being a dick.
It's hard for me to buy this excuse, man. Unless you're stacking all of your tables, which I think very few people do, there's no legitimate reason why you should be slowrolling (except yeah ok once in a while your dog barfs). Like you said if you have multiple decisions at once you're always going to make the easy one first. I'm usually 8 tabling and I never, ever slowroll.

I'm sure some of my perceived slowrolls are unintentional, but not all/a majority, I don't believe.
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11-30-2015 , 10:58 AM
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Do I need thicker skin?
Yes.
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11-30-2015 , 11:37 AM
imho online poker is less of a social thing than live, contrary to what poker was originally built on. I would rather prefer to turn chat off and get on to the next hand. In the first place, if one has the time to utilize effort to pay attention to chat, then on the other hand you can use the same effort to pay more attention to what he does regardless of what he may actually say on chat.
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11-30-2015 , 11:51 AM
how can a pf call with AK be considered slowrolling? i mean, he would prolly assume that he was at best in a coinflip (given the scenario you described)...he couldnt really count on you having such a bad hand
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11-30-2015 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by xMars
how can a pf call with AK be considered slowrolling? i mean, he would prolly assume that he was at best in a coinflip (given the scenario you described)...he couldnt really count on you having such a bad hand
you clearly didn't read OP
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11-30-2015 , 01:13 PM
Yes, develop a thicker skin. Don't be bothered by things that are insignificant. Don't take everything as a personal affront. And no, this is not an important issue. And don't go all-in against an UTG raiser with A9.

There are a number of reasons why someone who doesn't know you and has no history with you would take a lot of time to click call. Not one of them is a personal attack on you.
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11-30-2015 , 01:16 PM
You don't give us V stack ... large or small?

He may have been 'doing something' that took the bank of time away. Playing other tables, kissing face with other, eating ... et. He may have been trying to look you up somehow to get stats.

I am one to give more benefit of the doubt to most, but I can also understand your position if he was last to call and had a monster stack sitting there .. pretty standard call for most.

The quicker you don't let this stuff bother you, then better. You can only control your actions (and reactions) ... both will effect your play so don't let it be for the worse. GL
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11-30-2015 , 03:04 PM
Lol at slowrolling AK. Super easy for him to be flipping there. Yeah he's never folding but it's not like he's a massive favourite against large parts of your range.

Only AA is a true slowroll preflop.
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11-30-2015 , 04:39 PM
For a fish, calling to make it a 3-way all-in with AK is not a trivial decision. Fish hate AK.
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11-30-2015 , 05:33 PM
Not much slowrolling online TBH and I'm dubious that you got slowrolled that often.

Anyway, yes you need a thicker skin. Poker requires a tough mental attitude and letting other people get to you is a weakness that you should attend to. Easier said than done I know, but possible slowrolling online shouldn't really register much on your emotional index.

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BTW slowrolling is definitely poor form, rude etc. It's just that you cannot allow yourself to be tilted by such behaviour. Doesn't matter if they should do it or not, people will do stuff they shouldn't and you have to deal with it somehow.
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11-30-2015 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
you clearly didn't read OP
I'm on your side, it's far more likely he intentionally left a little behind so he could tank if someone shoved over him than he was seriously considering folding away the majority of his stack.

As others said though, don't let it get to you. Play more tables so you don't even notice when things like this happen, you can just make your shove then look at your next table.
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11-30-2015 , 11:25 PM
I don't even understand why this pisses people off anyway. Why do you even care if he took 1 second to call or 30? End result is the same.
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12-01-2015 , 01:28 AM
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I don't even understand why this pisses people off anyway. Why do you even care if he took 1 second to call or 30? End result is the same.
i'm sure you've never, ever gotten frustrated at the poker table
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