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07-24-2012, 04:11 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 25
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Is this a fold preflop?
okay so this guy had been 3 betting me OOP alot since he obv thinks my range is wider from CO
he's 25/25 and i think he's 3bet range is fairly wide (hands like KJ,Q10 etc) is this a fold pre? and how did i play it on the flop. obv i won this but thinking +ev wise.
OnGame - $0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BB: $43.37
UTG: $20.33
Hero (CO): $18.57
BTN: $18.44
SB: $20.10
SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.30) Hero has 5  6
fold, Hero calls $0.20, fold, SB raises to $1.00, fold, Hero calls $0.80
Flop: ($2.20, 2 players) 9  5  J
SB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50
Turn: ($5.20, 2 players) A
SB checks, Hero bets $5.20, SB calls $5.20
River: ($15.60, 2 players) J
SB checks, Hero bets $10.87 and is all-in, SB calls $10.87
Hero shows 5  6  (Flush, Ace High)
Hero wins $35.48
he had A-10o btw
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07-24-2012, 04:21 PM
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#2
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grinder
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 581
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?
I think posting results of hand doesn't help.
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07-24-2012, 04:36 PM
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#3
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newbie
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 25
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?
yeah don't care about the result, but im wondering what kinda range i should call this 3bet with.
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07-24-2012, 04:38 PM
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#4
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Notorious
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 20,324
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?
Why are you open-limping?
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07-24-2012, 04:50 PM
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#5
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Seriously, 13 is bad
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Superstitious and triskaidekaphobic
Posts: 9,956
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?
There's no 3-bet in this hand...
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07-24-2012, 05:18 PM
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#6
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centurion
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 132
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?
good turn bet
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07-24-2012, 05:24 PM
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#7
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Essex, UK
Posts: 5,388
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?
Villain didn't 3-bet. He iso-raised a bad player. Bad player then called the raise with his very weak hand.
And got lucky. Very lucky.
Don't limp-call pre. FOLD ffs.
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07-24-2012, 05:29 PM
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#8
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: May 2008
Location: broken monitor land
Posts: 3,535
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
Villain didn't 3-bet. He iso-raised a bad player. Bad player then called the raise with his very weak hand.
And got lucky. Very lucky.
Don't limp-call pre. FOLD ffs.
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Hero was in position, villain was OOP. I agree that hero has to raise this hand preflop instead of limping. Avoids all this trouble. After he raises you can probably just fold pre despite having position.
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07-24-2012, 05:34 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,768
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?
Say we raise 5/6 suited in the CO and any decent player 3B from the blinds, we have to fold there too right?
I don't get the hate for the limp. Someone please explain in depth because it seems that OP is able to see a pot in position for much cheaper than if he had raised from the CO.
Its also 6-Max so wouldn't that mean our range is a lot looser?
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07-24-2012, 05:37 PM
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#10
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Essex, UK
Posts: 5,388
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?
You can barely make a profit limping at full ring 2NL these days. I would imagine that limping at 20NL 6max gets you labelled "fish" immediately, and you'll rarely see a cheap flop.
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07-24-2012, 05:39 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Here. Bad Posts: 34,417 Good
Posts: 8,163
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?
raise 56s from the CO pre - win 1.5BB.
limp 56s from the CO pre, get raised by any half decent player trying to isolate, flat the iso raise (IP), miss pretty much all flops call another bet on the flop, call another bet on the turn chasing, fold river to 3rd barrel - lose 30BB+
dont limp pre, especially in position, and if you do raise it and get raised, fold.
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07-24-2012, 10:44 PM
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#12
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centurion
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 156
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?
Quote:
Originally Posted by warstray
yeah don't care about the result, but im wondering what kinda range i should call this 3bet with.
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Stuff that you don't limp with..
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07-24-2012, 11:05 PM
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#13
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newbie
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 37
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?
Ya just always 3x or 2.5x open. It gives you a better image post flop, makes c-betting more effective, and gives you a chance to just take it down pre flop. A limp is always going to be bad here. I would even call a regular size 3 bet from the blinds with 56s here, I think folding is too nitty. Your in position and deep enough to want to play this in position
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07-24-2012, 11:09 PM
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#14
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Notorious
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 20,324
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?
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Originally Posted by Kralex
Say we raise 5/6 suited in the CO and any decent player 3B from the blinds, we have to fold there too right?
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Depends. 4betting and calling are not off the table but there are a ton of factors to consider (I'm really giving this short shrift but this is a thread all its own - check the FAQs and COTW for posts on blind stealing and blind battles if you really want to get into this).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralex
I don't get the hate for the limp. Someone please explain in depth because it seems that OP is able to see a pot in position for much cheaper than if he had raised from the CO.
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There's a ton of value in blind stealing.
There's a ton of value in having position postflop when loose/passive players call.
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07-25-2012, 02:03 AM
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newbie
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 25
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?
i usually never limp. i just wanted to see a flop and try to mix up my game, limping was obviously bad in retrospect. my plan was to call a raise and some people often think my limp is really strong since they never seen me limp before. and i usually dont get to creative if it doesnt work out for me on the flop. But i can see why limping is bad here. But what do i do if i get 3 betted, do i fold or call? can i even 4bet light here if the guy seems creative?
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