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Old 07-24-2012, 04:11 PM   #1
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Is this a fold preflop?

okay so this guy had been 3 betting me OOP alot since he obv thinks my range is wider from CO
he's 25/25 and i think he's 3bet range is fairly wide (hands like KJ,Q10 etc) is this a fold pre? and how did i play it on the flop. obv i won this but thinking +ev wise.



OnGame - $0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $43.37
UTG: $20.33
Hero (CO): $18.57
BTN: $18.44
SB: $20.10

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.30) Hero has 5 6

fold, Hero calls $0.20, fold, SB raises to $1.00, fold, Hero calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.20, 2 players) 9 5 J
SB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.20, 2 players) A
SB checks, Hero bets $5.20, SB calls $5.20

River: ($15.60, 2 players) J
SB checks, Hero bets $10.87 and is all-in, SB calls $10.87

Hero shows 5 6 (Flush, Ace High)
Hero wins $35.48

he had A-10o btw
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:21 PM   #2
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?

I think posting results of hand doesn't help.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:36 PM   #3
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?

yeah don't care about the result, but im wondering what kinda range i should call this 3bet with.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:38 PM   #4
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?

Why are you open-limping?
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:50 PM   #5
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?

There's no 3-bet in this hand...
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:18 PM   #6
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?

good turn bet
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:24 PM   #7
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?

Villain didn't 3-bet. He iso-raised a bad player. Bad player then called the raise with his very weak hand.
And got lucky. Very lucky.

Don't limp-call pre. FOLD ffs.
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:29 PM   #8
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?

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Villain didn't 3-bet. He iso-raised a bad player. Bad player then called the raise with his very weak hand.
And got lucky. Very lucky.

Don't limp-call pre. FOLD ffs.
Hero was in position, villain was OOP. I agree that hero has to raise this hand preflop instead of limping. Avoids all this trouble. After he raises you can probably just fold pre despite having position.
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:34 PM   #9
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?

Say we raise 5/6 suited in the CO and any decent player 3B from the blinds, we have to fold there too right?

I don't get the hate for the limp. Someone please explain in depth because it seems that OP is able to see a pot in position for much cheaper than if he had raised from the CO.

Its also 6-Max so wouldn't that mean our range is a lot looser?
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:37 PM   #10
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?

You can barely make a profit limping at full ring 2NL these days. I would imagine that limping at 20NL 6max gets you labelled "fish" immediately, and you'll rarely see a cheap flop.
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:39 PM   #11
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?

raise 56s from the CO pre - win 1.5BB.

limp 56s from the CO pre, get raised by any half decent player trying to isolate, flat the iso raise (IP), miss pretty much all flops call another bet on the flop, call another bet on the turn chasing, fold river to 3rd barrel - lose 30BB+

dont limp pre, especially in position, and if you do raise it and get raised, fold.
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Old 07-24-2012, 10:44 PM   #12
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?

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yeah don't care about the result, but im wondering what kinda range i should call this 3bet with.
Stuff that you don't limp with..
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:05 PM   #13
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?

Ya just always 3x or 2.5x open. It gives you a better image post flop, makes c-betting more effective, and gives you a chance to just take it down pre flop. A limp is always going to be bad here. I would even call a regular size 3 bet from the blinds with 56s here, I think folding is too nitty. Your in position and deep enough to want to play this in position
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:09 PM   #14
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Say we raise 5/6 suited in the CO and any decent player 3B from the blinds, we have to fold there too right?
Depends. 4betting and calling are not off the table but there are a ton of factors to consider (I'm really giving this short shrift but this is a thread all its own - check the FAQs and COTW for posts on blind stealing and blind battles if you really want to get into this).

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I don't get the hate for the limp. Someone please explain in depth because it seems that OP is able to see a pot in position for much cheaper than if he had raised from the CO.
There's a ton of value in blind stealing.
There's a ton of value in having position postflop when loose/passive players call.
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Old 07-25-2012, 02:03 AM   #15
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Re: Is this a fold preflop?

i usually never limp. i just wanted to see a flop and try to mix up my game, limping was obviously bad in retrospect. my plan was to call a raise and some people often think my limp is really strong since they never seen me limp before. and i usually dont get to creative if it doesnt work out for me on the flop. But i can see why limping is bad here. But what do i do if i get 3 betted, do i fold or call? can i even 4bet light here if the guy seems creative?
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