TL;DR?

Cliffs: FISH FRY !!!!

Fish Fry tournaments have been a tradition in BQ forum for a few years now. It's basically a series of various games such as 2-7 TD, HORSE, PLO, LHE and NL that are played all in one afternoon (or evening depending on your time zone). They are a lot of fun and have in the past attracted a wide range of players from absolute beginners to future EPT champion. The buy-in is priced so that almost anyone can afford it, and to sweeten the pot there will be money added to the prize pool, and the "Ironman" winner will get a custom undertilte and color title (color to be retained until the next Fish fry)

In previous years we played on real money private tournaments on PokerStars, but obviously that is not possible post BF. The plan I'm proposing is that we create a Home Game at PokerStars and everyone who wants to play will pay an entrance fee to one or more trusted BQ regulars via a cash transfer on one of the remaining US facing sites or on PokerStars for those outside the US (or other online payment methods for trusted 2+2 members). Then those that have paid the entrance fee will be accepted in the Home Game where the games will be played.

The total buy-ins for the last Fish-Fry was $9 (4X $1 events and a $5 Main-Event) so $10 seems a good amount to use this time, but it could be higher, or lower if people prefer. The main thing I think is that it be priced for maximum participation.

There will be prizes for the winner of each game (and 2nd and 3rd place depending of the number of entrants) and the grand prize will be awarded to the winner of an "ironman" points system where finish higher gets more points and the person with the most points is the winner.

Last time there also was a "High Roller" tournament where those who wanted a higher buy-in ($10 or more) played an 8-game tournament, and if the demand is there, then this could also be played as a separate event with an additional buy-in outside the "ironman" events. (It would be in the same Home Game as the other events, so everyone would have to be honor bound not to enter the High Roller without paying the extra entry, but since anyone doing so would be disqualified from the "ironman" events I trust this wouldn't be an issue)

This post is to gauge interest, and to get a consensus on the best date to play, the buy-in amounts, the games to play and to solicit additional contributions to the prize pool (in previous years we have had respected coaches donating their services)

There are too many questions to create a poll, so please respond ITT with your answers to any or all (or none) of these questions.

1) Date ... Saturday or Sunday? W/E of 31st/1st?, 7th/8th (Easter weekend), 14th/15th? )Personally I think that April 1st is perfect since the following weekend is Easter, the weekend after that is quite a long way away)

2) Buy-in for Ironman? $10?, More? Less?

3) Buy-in for "High-Roller"? $10? More? ... Would you play a separate High-Roller? Should it start at the same time as the "Main Event" or earlier or later? Is 8-Game the best thing for a High-Roller?

4) Games? Last FF it was 2-7 TD, HORSE, PLO, LHE and NL for the "Main Event" Any additions, subtractions to those?

5) Timing? Last FF the games started at 11AM ET and were spaced 1Hr 5mins apart so that the breaks synchronized, so the "Main Event" started at 3:30PM. Most people would then be playing one or two events at a time, but rarely three at the same time. Is this a good timetable? Should it be earlier or later? Could it be more compressed, so that the time the whole tournament lasts is much shorter, but players would be in two or three events at the same time without synchronized breaks?

6) Payment of entry fees. We will have volunteer 'bankers' (trusted members of BQ) to receive entry fees and hold them in escrow until the winners are determined and payouts can be made. How would you be able to pay your entry fees? Preferred methods would be on Merge Skins (RPM, Lock etc) or PokerStars. Other methods outside of poker sites would have to be arranged privately with the 'bankers' and would only be available to trusted 2+2 members.

7) Anything else???

Please respond ITT if you intend to play, even if you don't want to answer any of the above Qs.

Oh, and this is the link to the last one http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...thread-936104/

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I'm in!

April 1 seems perfect IMO

$10 BI is good IMO

High roller would be another $10? Sounds fine IMO

Game mix - I hate 2-7TD, I would rather see Badugi if a draw game is desired

Start time 11am ET is good IMO

IN!

Also, for those of you not familiar with this, Ironman is optional expense.

1. Sunday. Not Easter weekend. April 1st seems perfect.

2. $10 seems good, or lower.

3. Maybe have "high roller" on a separate day? Surely buy-in should be higher than main event, or have I misunderstood something... If a single game, HR should be a game most people can play - so NLHE prolly.

4. NL for main event, certainly. Sounds like a good mix as is. I'll have to learn some more rules though...

5. 11AM ET with 1 hour staggered starts is good. Shouldn't start later. Shouldn't have too many overlaps as multitabling lots of different games is very hard - will seriously handicap people who want to play all events.

6. I can do Stars or RPM transfers.

7. Nope.

In and ok with any times, buyins etc.

Cant transfer funds on merge though only stars or paypal.

Actually, since BF and finding a site that everyone can play, this pretty much has to be in PokerStars Home Games using playchips, so the Ironman is the ONLY expense, since the individual events are play chips. It is much simpler to have the "Buy-In" just for the Ironman, rather than try to keep track of who has entered which event and distribute prize pools accordingly.

In making the suggestion to "compress" the time in which the games are played, I was forgetting that not everyone has played 4 different games HUHU at the same time

Also, the Buy-In is for all events - except the optional "High-Roller". Of course you don't have to play them all, but it would seriously handicap your chance in the Ironman competition if you skip any of them.


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OK, so BI's are (1.25x4)+5=IRONMAN?

And then High Roller is optional?

I'm easy.

Same format as last time works, and I'll play a high-roller. I will also win the FLHE Event again just so y'all know.

I feel cheated out of a years worth of name colour If I can claim back-to-back wins I want a permanent name colour

31/1st

rest seems fine.

We're not all quite as accomplished degens as yourself OB...

There seems to be some confusion about the entry fees and the Ironman competition.

In previous years, when everyone could play in real money tourneys on stars there were separate entries for the individual tourneys. Anyone could play in as many of as few as they chose. There was also a separate "Ironman" competition which was optional and had a separate entry fee.

After BF, finding a site where everyone can play Real Money tourneys is impossible. the best option that we have is to create play money tourneys in a PokerStars Home Game and then create our own prize pools outside of that.

To continue the same model where people could pick and choose which tourneys they want to enter would be an administrative nightmare. Keeping track of who had and hadn't payed for what tourney would be nearly impossible. Players might lose track of what they are entered for and inadvertently enter tourneys they have not payed for causing extra confusion and problems.

The solution we came up with was to have a single entry fee to the Ironman competition which entitles you to entry in all the tourneys (except the High-Roller). Prizes will be awarded to the first 2 positions in each tourney (or more if there are enough entries) You don't *HAVE* to play every event, but obviously it will put you at a disadvantage in the Ironman if you don't.

The amount of $10 was suggested since it was close to the total Buy-Ins to all of the individual events last time.

This time the Buy-In will be for all events (except the High-Roller) *AND* the Ironman competition.

The High-Roller is separate from the Ironman. It is the exception to the 'too complicated' argument above. It is hoped that people will understand that the High-Roller is the one exception and not enter it if they have not payed separately, and if they do, they will forfeit the right to any prizes they might otherwise have earned in the other tourneys.

Hope that clears it up.

In
31st/1st

you could start them in pairs and keep the synchro breaks

I will read it now

In, IN and IN!

31st/1st sounds good to me. Means I'll have gotten paid and can reload to cover the Ironman.

On a side note, isn't Tony Stark rich enough?

Yes, I suggest we bar Mike from these and allow BumbleBee99 to play twice.

Just a quick question...i know you say high roller is optional...by not playing it are you losing out on points to be the iron man winner?

It looks like it won't affect the tally but just want to make sure

Just give him twice the stack as everyone else, then he won't go bust until the second hand

High Roller has never counted towards the Ironman in previous years, so I can't see that changing

That is correct ... The "High-Roller" is not included in the Ironman competition.

This event has always been priced as low as reasonably possible for maximim participation, and in previous years, stakes have been offered to busto noobs who can prove serious intent and an inadequate BR (who knows - if any busto noob enquirers, they may be available this year too)

But there are a few ballas amongst us who like to play for big money, so the "High-Roller" was created for them, but it doesn't and never did add points to the Ironman competition.

Thanks...
I am in for Apr.1 w/e
Everything sounds good to me...this will be my first one...

IN

April Fool's day seems somehow appropriate, ya know ?

Agree that Mike should be barred. AE is on that list as well. Crazy Fool should be allowed to play since he only won the ME by luckboxing, so he isn't a threat

I would play the high roller at the same time as the ME. $10 seems fine for both entries. I would play a bigger BI for the high roller, but its more important to increase number of entries rather than boost the BI.

You can bar me if you want, just give me my custom colour name that I've won.

Talk to IW ... he was the one who organized and gave out the mod-given prizes last time ... and the reason there is color on offer this time is I asked for it ... at the very most you maybe deserve a color for the week or so until this FF runs ...


Its gonna be in PS Home Games, so absolute green mod power is replaced by absolute Fish Fry Commish power ...



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OCD much?

Nah, it was just the last time he won anything...