QQ is 83% against 64o in hot / cold equity alone. Even if all betting ended after the fish called the min-raise with 64o and the cards were dealt it would still be a mistake for them to call, just because they made a stupid sized raise to begin with does not mean that calling the min-raise becomes correct for them - all they do by calling with 64o is compound the stupid mistake they made at the very beginning with the added problem of putting their entire stack at risk post flop. Taken to the extreme, if we play the hands face up heads up with 100 effective. Fish opens for 50 with 64o, we min-raise to 100 (all-in). Just because we have done a min-raise does not now mean fish is playing correctly by calling our min-raise, his call is still a mistake. The stack sizes make a big difference as to whether one can call a raise, deep stacked one can call far more due to implied odds than short stacked where there is very little implieds and hot / cold equity is far more applicable.

Let's say we raise to 75, fish folds 75% of the time. After that we win a further 75 50%, win nothing more 25% and lose 75 25% of the time (very very rough estimates). Without actually calculating, from inspection I would hazard a guess that the EV of this play is not far off the min-raise EV.

Yeah i just to pm u and it said your account isnt accepting pms. I am frequently at op, so just wanted to extend a hello. Theres a major difference between nl and limit there. If u are looking to start getting into nl in this area, playing TAG is the way to go. Also ocala has a 1/1 game with 60 max buy in which is usually super weak and a great way to start if u r on a tight bankroll. Best of luck.

Now that I've had a day or so to look back on it I don't regret my play on that hand. I'm sure after that experience if I get in the same spot I'll probably push all in just so it doesn't slap me as hard when they flop a straight on me

I'll be going to OP again today, was thinking about buying in for $200 today but I'll be more comfortable playing short stack a few more times. I will have to look into ocala though, as long as I could find a buddy to drag out there. Hopefully I'll be able to pm in a few days if you don't mind me PMing you a few questions about hands and such. Thanks for the input everyone.

If you put in half your stack preflop then you are 100% calling the rest off with any two regardless. If you accidentally called a $100 raise with 72o and someone else ships for $200, you are calling the remaining $100 every single time.

You accidentally raise to 100 with 72o. The table rock ships for 200. You know this old man will only ship pre flop with KK,AA. You still call?!?

Or worse still, you open for 50 with 72o, the table rock min-raises to 100 with 100 effective behind with a slightly looser range of AK, QQ+. You still call? What exactly will you be hoping to hit on the flop with your call? Your odds of flopping 2-pair (using your two cards) is 28:1, the odds of flopping trips is 72:1. If you flop a pair are you still putting your remaining 100 in? I am interested how you can mathematically justify calling a raise that effectively commits you pre flop against a somewhat decent player who is not raising up any two.

I'm at work so I dont have pokerstove, but run 72o vs AA and see what you get. Then determine if you have odds to call the remaining $100. It's not that I'm hoping to beat him, it's that you have invested too much in the hand to let it go. If you actually dont have the pot odds to call then so be it, but I'm pretty sure you do.