Im sorry if this question has been answered before, but after reading through the forum in still a little confused about the following....

As part of my preparation to learn how and when to steal/bluff, i downloaded Pokersnowie its basically a training bot/AI, but it had a feature that really helped me learn what pre-flop hands were good to call/raise/fold, through the use of the softwares real time evaluation / EV calculator.

And what im asking is are there any huds or software that can do the same thing when im playing on 888poker.



you see those three fields in the image for Fold / call / Raise, they indicate the advised action to take, obviously this was agaisnt their AI and not real players, but never the less it was indicating hands i should be betting with hands i would never have played before in such spots, and it also was telling me to fold hands that i had always assumed were really good from a particular position facing a 3-bet.

basically it does the maths for you, so you can focus on the players behavior/characteristics. so is there something similar that i can use on poker 888 in real time ?

again sorry if this seems obvious or has been asked, but some of the threads talking about huds/software are pretty advanced and they go off into things that are way past were i am atm.

I don't think you're allowed to use this sort of thing in game. That's cheating.

Would you like the tool to click the buttons for you as well while you go off and do something else?

as far as i know your not allowed to use a "Bot" to play for you, in the sence that it's the bot thats performing the actions for you at the table, as that would mean your not playing against a human.

However this isnt performing the actions for you at the table (as is the case with an AI bot), it's simply informing you about the likely stength of your hand relative to the other players and the current action at the table

IE:

your position
your hand
villains position
number of villains in the pot (and their position relative to yours)
villains bet size

ect ect

you could in theory (and im guessing in practise) simply punch in the data manually using an offsite calculator, but that would be time consuming and it takes your concentration away from the table......so something thats incorporated or into the hud would be preferable.

The same argument was made about HUD's, that argument lost, Huds are now part of the modern online game.

I dont see how this is any different, it's not performing the actions for you, it's simply a "guide" that informs you of your likely hand strength relative to the other players and their actions/position

If you can't tell the difference between seeing someone's raising percentage is very low from previous stats and making your own mind up to fold AJo, and software explicitly telling you that your hand is crap given what it knows and you should fold, then I don't really know what to say. There's zero difference between what you suggest and a bot, that you have to click raise/fold/call rather than the software doing it is irrelevant.

What if a player doesn't have millions of hands under their belt in experience, what if what your saying isnt obvious to a newbie, your effectively doing the math (like the calc) in your head based on years of experience......i dont have said experience.

I view this as a set of training wheels for beginners, when you learn to ride a bike as a kid, you attach the training wheels so the kid can more easily learn the basics without becoming overwhelmed, they can learn how to steer the bike, they can learn how much power to apply to the crank based on the level of incline/surface in order to maintain forward motion, they can learn how to apply the brakes and how much power to apply on a given surface/incline.

in effect they can learn the basic's, before you take off the training wheels, at which point they they can now full concentrate on balancing the bike without be overwhelmed by thinking about steering/braking/power application (though they need to make micro adjustments to the above in order to maintain balance)

sure life was different back in the early days of poker, you just got thrown in at the deep end, and i can imagine how players who simply didn't not have these tools at their disposal now years later, and with far more experience, look on such tools in a less than favourable way.

i dont want something to blindly follow, but something that helps crunch the math for me and acts as a general guide (when needed), would be of help for a player in my position imo.

It is completely different. It's like if you were playing chess and you have a chess engine in front of you evaluating all the moves. Sure you have to make the move yourself but it's no different than having the engine make the move for you. Even a 4 year old can play at that point.

You can build your own charts and save them as presets in Equilab (or similar). FWIW, I built a ton of pre-flop charts (and learned them in much the same way I'd cram for an exam) but you can also open Snowie's pre-flop advisor app on your phone/tablet. Upswing (and presumably other training sites) also sell courses that come with loads of pre-set ranges for range-building. (In videos, Doug and Ryan will show you exactly what to 4-bet bluff with MP v BTN or UTGvSB, for example). Another app, but for Tournament players, is SnapShove. You're not allowed to use such apps for calculations in real time while playing on most sites (Pokerstars has the most comprehensive rules), but the rules are unfortunately unenforceable now that just about everyone has a computer in their pocket.

theres a big difference between chess and poker, in that the AI knows exactly where your pieces are on the board, and can make the most mathematically sound move, poker has an added factor in that the AI cant see your cards, it can only predict a likely range/strength based on a number of factors (and theres still a fairly sizable margin of error, based on the unknown ie: your hidden cards)

what would be unfair, is if you had a huge sample of data on a particular player (a profile if you will), and you tied that into an automated range predictor, in that sence it could concievably narrow down you hand range/fold likelyhood to within a very narrow margin of error.

what i dont understand is that it's legit to have a poker calulator that you manually imput data into, eg:....

your hand
your position
opponent bet size
opponent position

ect ect ect

but for some reason it's not legit for the software to simply imput the data antomatically, i have to manually imput the data, even though the end result is the same.

at the end of the day i just want my preflop stats, without having to manually enter data into the software app, they allow your pot odds to be shown in live play, im not expected to break out the abacus every time i want to know my pot odds, but that doesn't appear to be the same when it come to EV stats.

ohh well....

Your OP asked if there is any software that is similar to Poker Snowie’s evaluator, which advises you real-time on what action to take. When told that’s prohibited, it seems you changed the question to getting the advice but you, rather than the software, actually input the action. When told that is an inconsequential difference you focused on wanting software to scrape the current-hand data versus manually inputting it, presumably into an advice-type software.

I don’t think you understand that any software that advises you real-time or during play what to do is prohibited on most if not all poker sites – although enforcement is questionable.

Here is just one of Poker Stars prohibitions:

“5. Any tool or service that offers real-time commentary or advice on the current game state that goes beyond reporting data and statistics.”

There is a similar prohibition on software where you input the data and use its advice results during play.

Finally, you focused on pot odds. Sites provide the pot size so pot odds are easily calculated with a little practice, assuming you are using the term in the conventional way.

You note that those with years of experience have an advantage over you – a newbie, so you want to catch up with “illegal” software. Nice! Why don’t you check the site you play on for acceptable software?

I had a look a 888 poker for any list of "illegal" software but all i found was a rather broad statement regarding 3rd party software and "AI".

so i looked at pokerstars which im assuming the two sites are generally operating with a similar set of standards, and poker stars does provide a list of allowed software and banned software.

in pokerstars allowed list are calculators that you have to manually punch in the data, you effectively end up with the data you want, but it appears (atleast as far as i can tell) that they do allow for manual calulators.

so i looked into their "banned" list of software, im not familier with any of the software on that list, so i cant be certain why there on the banned list, as those programs could also contain features that go faaar beyond simply displaying your EV stats via a HUD.

as for now im assuming the type of player aide i asked about is not allowed, so i'll just punch in the data manually, as that appears to be allowed or why would the have manual calculators on the approved list.

also the statement "informing the player what action to take", well i guess that could be negated if a program was simply to present the data in raw ev stats, rather than present such stats along side an advised action......but like i said i dont want to break any rules, so i only want to use legal software thats permitted.

so unless someone on this site has an EV calculator as part of their HUD, and has checked to see if its permitted, and has used it without falling foul of the poker sites operators.....i will simply assume said hud based calcs are banned.