If you're ever folding sets, then you shouldnt be playing pocket pairs. Why would you call a raise with 33 from a 75/0 just to fold when you hit the only hand worth hitting?
I think I found 2 spots where I could fold a set, even top set....first hand was only 2p but there is functionally no difference in the spot and fairly sure I'd have folded the river in hand 2 if bet in to.
I'm pretty sure OP is not talking about folding a set on the turn/river. Plenty of people can fold sets on the turn/river but can you fold it on the flop which hasn't completed any draws yet?
I'm pretty sure OP is not talking about folding a set on the turn/river. Plenty of people can fold sets on the turn/river but can you fold it on the flop which hasn't completed any draws yet?
And the answer to that is a no-brainer as well, no and you're an idiot to ever consider it in nlhe
I'm pretty sure OP is not talking about folding a set on the turn/river. Plenty of people can fold sets on the turn/river but can you fold it on the flop which hasn't completed any draws yet?
Ah, that's a different matter. No completed draws, I'm happy to stack off on the flop.
Against a known draw-chasing calling station, I'm considering folding when the draw come in and they shove.
Like I said, if 4 cards of a straight are on the board, and the missing card is likely in their range, are you calling a shove?
Or if 4 of a suit come up and you don't have that suit?
What if you're in last position with a hand like 44, the flop is something like 49K two-toned with two other villains in the pot, the first villain bets 2/3 pot and the second raises to triple? Let's say the villain in first position was the PFR and the villain and hero both called pre.
What would a villain raise with on the flop that he only called with pre that 444 beats here? AK is the only hand I can think of and even that's a stretch (if it was suited and matched the suits of the 4 and 9 it's a good stacking opportunity).
Depending on the stats and reads you have on him, there could be multiple hands here he could be raising with. AK, pair/flush draw combos, maybe some straight/flush combos like JTs.
I'd ship 99% of the time, set over set in this spot is just a cooler.
Yes, this exactly. It happens very rarely, but there are situations where you can fold bottom set on dry boards and be about 98% sure you've made the right fold. It's hardly exploitable, as someone said above, because it happens almost never. But I remember one mini FTOPS tourney where I had doubled early, and so had the biggest nit at the table, and we each had about 9k chips at the 10/20 level, so 450 BB stacks. I had 66, flop comes 67J rainbow, I lead for 90, nit raises to 180, I raise to 500, nit raises to 1000, I raise to 2000, nit shoves. Well, that 7-bet shove from a complete nit just has to be something that beats bottom set, so I fold, villain shows middle set 777, I go on to min cash or something.
edit: funny that it's the same flop as in DefiniteArticle's post above! Weird coincidence.
That would be a 6-bet shove, but interesting hand nonetheless.
lol@ being an idiot for even considering folding bottom set otf
in all honesty if u opened utg/mp & have bottom set on a wet board vs me and i called on the button or out of hte blinds and raise/c-raise you its a fold and vs a alot more guys in nit ring its the same thing.... & you fold it for the same reason u fold 2nd nuts otr in a deep stack game vs solid reg alot of the time cause your equity is not good or your actual hand isnt
lol@ being an idiot for even considering folding bottom set otf
in all honesty if u opened utg/mp & have bottom set on a wet board vs me and i called on the button or out of hte blinds and raise/c-raise you its a fold and vs a alot more guys in nit ring its the same thing.... & you fold it for the same reason u fold 2nd nuts otr in a deep stack game vs solid reg alot of the time cause your equity is not good or your actual hand isnt
If your raise on a wet flop means I should fold bottom set you are ludicrously passive and have major leaks, no offense.
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