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Delayed cbet? Delayed cbet?

01-18-2011 , 12:14 PM
Hey.

I was just wondering how often do you do this? And what do you think are the best spots to check back the flop and cbet a turn for example? Some people will call a lot of cbets but they wont bet turn if you are passive on the flop and there is a better chance to get them off their hand on the turn. Do you have smth like this in your arsenal when you play poker? I haven't heard too much about it but it seems like it could work in some spots.
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01-18-2011 , 02:16 PM
Delayed cbets are used when you fear opponents are wise to your cbetting frequency on the flop. If you raise and the flop comes down 886 or 239r you arent going to get much credit for having a hand. Saving your cbet for the turn looks more scary, because people will think you are either slowplaying them, or that you just got lucky and hit your card on the turn. I only resort to delayed cbetting if I think my opponent is aware that I cbet a lot of flops. But initially, cbet most flops and dont bother cbetting the turn until you think they are adjusting to you.
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01-19-2011 , 03:41 AM
One great spot to delayed cbet is against fish that will not fold alot on a board you have poor equity when called and can't barrel.

Say J92 and you have 56o.

If you check behind on the flop and they check the turn, they are giving up very often, so you delay cbet the turn.
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01-19-2011 , 04:20 AM
Setting up multi street bluffs.
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01-19-2011 , 10:18 AM
Another thing about cbetting at micro stakes is that fish are often really adamant about seeing the turn. Because so many of their hands form random gutshot straights or bottom pair, they feel stronger on the flop when looking at only 3 cards than they do on the turn where **** gets real. Fish will float cbets with ace high and such because they want to see just one more card before deciding what to do. A delayed cbet often satisfies this urge and gets them to go away. Best when used with 0 equity like the above example.
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01-19-2011 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by javi
Another thing about cbetting at micro stakes is that fish are often really adamant about seeing the turn. Because so many of their hands form random gutshot straights or bottom pair, they feel stronger on the flop when looking at only 3 cards than they do on the turn where **** gets real. Fish will float cbets with ace high and such because they want to see just one more card before deciding what to do. A delayed cbet often satisfies this urge and gets them to go away. Best when used with 0 equity like the above example.
+1
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01-20-2011 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by javi
Another thing about cbetting at micro stakes is that fish are often really adamant about seeing the turn. Because so many of their hands form random gutshot straights or bottom pair, they feel stronger on the flop when looking at only 3 cards than they do on the turn where **** gets real. Fish will float cbets with ace high and such because they want to see just one more card before deciding what to do. A delayed cbet often satisfies this urge and gets them to go away. Best when used with 0 equity like the above example.
You would win even more money if you cbet the flop and second barrel the turn against those type of players, DUCY? God, I hate that acronym, sorry

Yes, delayed cbetting is definitely a good idea sometimes. If you are in position why not use that to your advantage and check behind for a bit of information?
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01-20-2011 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by zaiga000
You would win even more money if you cbet the flop and second barrel the turn against those type of players, DUCY? God, I hate that acronym, sorry

Yes, delayed cbetting is definitely a good idea sometimes. If you are in position why not use that to your advantage and check behind for a bit of information?
if you don't have much equity it's a bad idea. Fish merge their calling range.
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01-20-2011 , 04:19 AM
Surprised no one mentionned this already but one of the best spots is obviously when cbetting flop has no clue whereas betting the turn makes sense.

As an example :
you raise PF with KQo, flop brings AdKs9h, you check behind figuring nothing worse calls and nothing better folds if you cbet, and you bet the turn which brings Th because now a lot of worse hands will call you (pairs + gutters, flushdraws, 2nd pairs with worse kicker, etcetc)

I also like to do it sometimes versus nits or aggressive guys. The nit won't give me three streets of value anyways when I hold KQo on a K72rb flop so I might aswell let him see a turn to let him "catch up a bit" and widen his calling range, and I give the maniac a chance to bluff me because he views my range as weak (QQ-) when I check the flop.

Basically three reasons :
- It will induce a bluff later
- You can't get three streets of value anyways and/or you have a hand that doesn't wanna face heat/a big pot
- Nothing worse calls on the flop and nothing better folds, thus cbetting the flop is useless
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01-20-2011 , 05:10 AM
i like the delayed cbet on flop at micro stakes a good percentage of the time. its a lot easier to evaluate ur hand once theyve chosen to call or fold the flop. u very seldomly get check raised on half pot unless they have the goods. this is a tested analysis of the situation. if they do decide to call you on the flop then evaluate and decide if u d like to keep pressure applied or take a feee card
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02-13-2011 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by beHypE
Surprised no one mentionned this already but one of the best spots is obviously when cbetting flop has no clue whereas betting the turn makes sense.

As an example :
you raise PF with KQo, flop brings AdKs9h, you check behind figuring nothing worse calls and nothing better folds if you cbet, and you bet the turn which brings Th because now a lot of worse hands will call you (pairs + gutters, flushdraws, 2nd pairs with worse kicker, etcetc)

I also like to do it sometimes versus nits or aggressive guys. The nit won't give me three streets of value anyways when I hold KQo on a K72rb flop so I might aswell let him see a turn to let him "catch up a bit" and widen his calling range, and I give the maniac a chance to bluff me because he views my range as weak (QQ-) when I check the flop.

Basically three reasons :
- It will induce a bluff later
- You can't get three streets of value anyways and/or you have a hand that doesn't wanna face heat/a big pot
- Nothing worse calls on the flop and nothing better folds, thus cbetting the flop is useless
+1
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