Was playing 1-3 NL this weekend and had the following hand played out.

UTG straddled to 6 dollars and got 4 callers. I'm on the button, looked down to see Q 10 of clubs, raised to 30 and got 3 callers.

Flop J 7 3, with J and 3 being clubs, giving me a Q high flush draw. Tables checks around to me, so I decided to raise 50. All 3 players called

Turn card came a 10 giving me 2nd pair. First two player checked, third player raises 50 on the turn.

What should I do here? My friend is convinced that the correction decision would be to fold here, but I called.

Depends on Stack sizes.
Raise a lot more preflop. Punish the limpers.

I had the big stack at the table, started preflop with 500, the 3 other callers had 200-300 preflop.

I thought 30 raise was enough to chase away most of limpers since it was pretty much a pot size raise at the time.

Preflop you could have raised a little bigger but that isn't a big deal, and from the looks of it it might have not even changed anything. From the info you're giving us, the pot on the turn was 320, somebody bet 50 into 320 giving you almost 8 to 1 odds to call with the 3rd nut flush draw and a pair, not to mention you have position on everybody? What is your friends reason for thinking you should fold here? Folding in this spot is abysmal.

First off .. As played (AP) .. You are never folding here on the Turn when you are calling 50 into over 370 with 2nd pair and a decent flush draw. You have plenty of equity just with the Ten to go to showdown on the River. If you friend is scared that 89 hit his gutter, then fine, but you still have your flush to fall back onto if that's the case. You wait to see what happens on the River. This is 'happy' call even against the tightest of opponents.

Now the rest of the hand ...

1) Why did you raise PF to 30? What are your stack sizes? What is your image and the image of the others. QTs is pretty weak, but I would rather raise with it than sit there and limp into a Bingo pot.

2) You 'bet' (not raise) 50 into a pot over 120 on the Flop. That's a pretty conservative bet when you raised PF. Although this is a pretty dry (not scary) board I think you would want to bet closer to 80-100 with so many opponents in the hand or just check it by. After your opponents call 30 PF it's pretty easy to call 50 more here and now the pot is bloated with chips and still multi-way going to the Turn.

3) Although your opponent may have a Jack, you have a pair and flush draw. The bet is very small. Depending on stack sizes you may want to raise/shove here but I think calling is probably best .. NEVER FOLD HERE PLEASE. GL

His reasoning for folding is that the first two players who checked could easily have a higher flush draw and call or reraise after me.

1. Preflop I raised 30 to potentially steal the pot there, my image at the table is pretty tight player since I did not lose a single show down when I bet that day yet.

2. Yea I thought about betting more, but I figured 50 would chase away people as well since the board is pretty try.

3. yea I thought calling would be the best decision there

Seeing the stack sizes I still like to bet bigger on the Flop or check. The bet of 50 doesn't really do you anything good. Betting bigger will force the 200 stacks to commit to the pot and then you know you 'should' be beat and act accordingly on the Turn.

If the opponent who bet 50 on the Turn had only 120 or so behind I would probably shove into them. Betting only 50 is very defensive and they may fold. If they call then you have your draws to go with to the River.

Based on these stack sizes I probably don't bet this Flop as often unless I really think I will get a lot of folds from the table. As I indicated you need to bet bigger if you do bet however.

Pretty typical hand here ...
1) I'm fine with the PF aggression ... bet more if you consistently get 3 or 4 callers.
2) I'm fine with bet or check on Flop, but bigger .. not 50 with 4 opponents in the hand.
3) NEVER FOLDING TO THIS Turn bet ... even if I check the Flop I'm going to call this Turn bet.

Did your friend have any reasons to fold here? Just Jx and 89 don't cut it when you are getting such a great price to call 50 into a 370 pot. GL

4 callers + you + straddler + blinds = $40 in the pot. Now add $6 to get the size of the bet.

Now on the turn villain has about $70-$170 behind. Would he check call the flop with top pair? How far behind are we?
There's $300 in the pot. How confident would you feel if you hit a club, queen, or ten? I think a $50 call is fine, with 2 to act behind. You can fold the river unimproved.

Because the 50 turn bet is so small to pot, my friend is convinced that the first 2 players will call or raise as well, and could potentially have my flush draw covered.

The actual result of the hand is that the first 2 player folded on turn. I hit another 10 on the river. The turn raiser went all in with like 70 dolalrs and I called. He had A J

If they have higher flush draws they are behind ... you want opponents to call when they are behind. The betting player may have a better flush draw .. he is behind too, right? The best a flush draw can have is also a pair of 7s since you have the Tc, yes?

If they c/r then deal with it .. but both players have let this hand pass them by up to this point and stacks are to the point you will probably be calling all raises anyway. That is also another reason to raise/shove on the Turn with these stack sizes as it puts the pressure on them to call with their draws. GL

Couple problems with this.
1. You're only stealing with QT when your opponents are folding QJ+ and pocket pairs. Even $40 is too small to steal. Call it a pot sweetener with decent cards in position. But it's not a bluff.
2. Your tight image won't matter when your opponent flops top pair with a 1:1 stack to pot ratio.
3. You probably overestimate your tight image anyway. Every villain has a preflop range and it has nothing to do with your % won at showdown stats.

Whether they call or raise, what are you (your friend) afraid of?
1) AA-KK-QQ-set? Very poorly played if these hands are out there.
2) Pair of Jacks? We have Q and T plus flush draw outs ... that's a lot.
3) Better flush draw? We are ahead of them and getting a great price to continue.
4) With the 50 Turn bettor only having 70 behind, you can raise to 210 and start a side pot or force the others to fold their draw. If they have you beat then you need to hit the River .. you did (this time).

The moral of the story is you are never folding this Turn for fear of action behind based on how you described the action already. This is a call or raise spot 100% of the time. If you are folding here, then you will have a long road ahead trying to be a winning poker player. GL

Your friend is very bad at poker if he thinks you should fold a pair and a flush draw with such great odds.
But please learn the difference between a bet and a raise. There was no raise post-flop, was there?

Preflop is fine. Straddle + overcalls are vulnerable to raises, no need to bomb this, it's not like you need to pump money in for value.

($126) Flop, you wanted to take this down preflop really but still it checks round, a bet is in order. You can't raise when it checks round. Bet of $50 is too small, you need to represent strength, I would go $80.

($326) Turn, my plan is now to x/f to a large bet or x/b. Since the $50 bet (not raise) is effectively a check, we can just call. Bear in mind you have 9+ outs here, so you only need 5:1 direct odds, which you are easily getting. I call here. Folding would be extremely terrible.

The alternative to this line is to simply ship, problem is I think we will simply get called by top pair hands and fail to draw out on them most of the time.

It depends.

Every answer is it depends.

Stack sizes, reads on opponents, is he likely to bet his flush draws, is he likely to call gut-shots, it he bluffy, does he bet his mid pairs, is he fit or fold multi-way.

Poker is a game of people

Whats up Qazz

'If you are going to raise pre I would make it something like $40 to $45. When you raise you are hoping that everyone will fold or that you pick up one caller who will c/f a lot of flops when you cbet IP. $30 doesn't seem likely to fold out the limpers. I think just calling is fine too since you are IP with a hand that plays pretty well postflop.

Folding on the turn would be one of the worst plays I could possibly imagine. Your friend is an idiot... at least when it comes to poker.

I don't bluff here multiway esp into 3 other people and it being LLSNL/micros you can't expect folds from gutshots, midpairs, or weak top pairs immediately on the flop which means you'll have to fire multi barrels...

Pre is fine bigger bet sizing like people said, tho if the whole table is very loose passive being a live game just start by raising ATo+ and KJo+ and prolly 99+ being IP. Raise mostly for value preflop and be more value heavy in general given this table.