Currently 6bb/100 at 10NL(66k hands) and 4bb/100 at 25nl(40k hands). The rake is extremely high i've heard at my casino, 10% $20 cap. Buy-ins $50 - $400(should i start this deep?). Also i've heard winrates of upwards of 10bb/hour are possible if crushing, is this possible with that rake?

**** this place. $20 rake is a rip off for 1/2. I know of underground games taking less.

Rake is crazy but in terms of beating live 1/2 generally, your technical poker skills are strong enough. Live has it's own difficulties but the play is lolbad.

Maybe ask in the Live Low Stakes forum re. the rake issue, of course most players there are spoiled by US level rake.

Not every $1/2 game is the same. Some have 8 regs and 1 fish and some have 4 refs and 5 fish. $20 rake cap seems very steep as well, would be nearly impossible to be a big winner with that rake even in a good line-up

If you're going to play this game I'd recommend playing as deep as possible. If you play with $100 effective stacks and cooler someone you're hitting the rake cap and paying 10% to the casino. Hit someone with effective stacks of $400 and suddenly you're paying 2.5%.

To be honest though, that rake structure is appalling and I'd look for alternatives.

obviously there is a lot of overlap but the skill set for winning at live poker is not the exact same as the skill set for winning at online poker. also even if you are skilled for the game, are you bankrolled for it? you should never have more than 10% of your bankroll on the table. so if you do start out with $400 buy in, and have only (for example) 7k bankroll, you now have to leave any time you double up. that is going to impede your ability to put in volume. this rake is extremely high and you should probably not play this game.

Very high rake, most of us live with $5-$7 ... So you need to play deeper and tighter IMO. You should be able to figure out where to steal a few pots in order to keep up with the blinds, but to beat the rake you will need some pretty good pots along the way.

Table selection will be a huge factor as stated above. Your online play will help with implied odds spots but figuring out the maniacs v the good regs may take some time, maybe not.

Hopefully the player pool is deep. The high rake will crush the smaller stacks and/or increase the cash-n-dash players. GL

The biggest challenge for you moving to live is the boredom / terror ratio. You'll find yourself having a tough time concentrating for long periods, given the slowness factor, and you suddenly find (sometimes after 40 minutes) that you have to pay attention.

I'd think about your strategy for keeping yourself alert and active in the game, even as you see a whole lot less flops than you're used to.

There is zero chance anyone is beating a 1/2 game with a $20 max rake. That is absolutely absurd.

Rake is sick. May be beatable, but game better be GOOD!

Lots of difference between live and online game though. People live are going to be playing a much wider range, and probably playing it more passively. You're going to be in a lot more multi-way pots. You're not going to have a HUD, so are going to have to find a different way to categorize villains. You're also not going to be able to multi-table, and may legitimately be in a situation where you don't get a playable hand/a situation to make a move with for an hour or two.

I would really focus on multi-way pots in particular, since they're so common. I have a few rules for multi-way pots including 3 or more Vs and myself (and like all good poker rules they have some exceptions, and 3-way pots are a bit of a hybrid):

1. Don't bluff (including c-bet) without equity. Every time I'm in a multi-way pot, and I think about making a move, I remind myself of this rule, and it's saved me a ton of money over the years. I'll semi-bluff, but won't just do a naked bluff. Exceptions:

A. You're the PFR and board is super dry (K52r or something similar). OK to c-bet here.
B. PFR raises and everyone folds to you. This is no longer a multi-way pot, and you can raise with air if you have a read that PFR c-bets a lot, even if it's multi-way.

2. Don't slowplay, including don't check to the raiser. Pretty common situation - I check/call a PFR from early position, or flat a raise from the blinds, with a low pocket pair and flop a set. I basically always lead out here. People won't believe you so you'll get action. While you may want to check/raise, people are less likely to c-bet in very multi-way pots so you risk it getting checked around. Also, the check raise may look stronger than the donk. Only exception - I'm in best relative position to the PFR (i.e. directly to his right), board hits his range and he c-bets a lot. I.e. UTG raises, 3 callers, I call from BB with 33, and flop is AQ3. Then, it's OK to check to the PFR, see how everyone reacts to his raise, and hopefully have a ton of money when I check raise. Would be much more likely to lead a JT3 flop.

3. Pay attention to relative position. If you're not the PFR, you want to act immediately before the PFR, so you can see how everyone reacts to the PFR c-bet (or lack thereof).

I've played in some 1/2 game where buyins are uncapped. Rake cap was $15

Only good thing was the games had some deep stack whales talking 500 BBs over that would call a cold 3B with pocket pairs for 50 BBs LOL.
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On topic though: I'd find a location with lower rake if possible. $20 rake cap just seems like everyone playing at the table is getting robbed.

the poker room wouldn't survive at your casino if the games weren't beatable.

go and match wits and work on your game. you should be able to determine fairly quickly if you have an edge at 1/2. after that it's estimating what kind of win rate is achievable and deciding whether it's worthwhile to put in a lot of hours.

"the rake was $20/hand, but I stacked a drunk guy in a $1,000 pot when he lost his mind with bottom pair"

^^ this is the type of mantra you need.

That's outrageous for live rake sonethings not right or they are robbing u blind

$5 is avg $7 is high. Anything higher is outrageous. Lot's of people use rake as an excuse why they cant beat the games. Live Vegas "pros" (not regs) can cleary $20/hr easily. Don't believe me dont care im not here to argue just help a question out, i'm not answering again

That rake is absurd, but if the game is soft enough, it can be overcome. If not for the rake, you can definitely beat live 1/2 if you're beating 25nl. Live 1/2 has a difficulty ranging from 2nl (or worse) to 10nl, but with a different style of play of course.

Try it out, and if the table has more than a combined 50 brain cells, the rake might be too high, but it shouldn't take long to find out.

A $20 rake will be difficult, but not impossible to beat. However, you can't be even the second best player at the table. You'll have to be the best player to win anything.