1/2 live game. UTG makes it 6. UTG+1 throws in 2 red ($5) chips. Is this a call of 6 or a raise to 10?

If you have evidence to back up your answer it'd be much appreciated. I'm still arguing with someone about this.

its a call

Call unless he states raise.

Why would he need to state raise? He's put enough in the pot to make the legal minimum raise.

If he'd put in one chip without stating raise it would be a call. If he'd put in multiple chips less than a min raise without stating raise it would be a call. But putting multiple chips in to at least a legal min raise is a raise unless he stated call.

Blinds 1,2 he puts in 6 so a raise of 4. Next guy calls the blind 2, the raise of 4 and then min raises 4 more = 10

Also, I think the guys in Home Poker would be able to quote 100 sections of RRoP to answer this.

Robert's Rules of Poker:
I got it slightly wrong - if you put in multiple chips at least equal to a full bet plus half a bet it is considered a raise if you don't announce otherwise.

this is a raise

Thank you very much for your answers!

Because his action is ambiguous. 1 chip wouldn't be enough to call so if he wants to call he would put in the same amount.

The problem is that 1 chip isn't enough to call.

This is a call unless he states raise and it is so for the same reason as the oversized chip rule. In order to avoid confusion you have to declare raise otherwise it's a call.

$25 chips play on 1-2nl tables. If he'd put out a $25 chip without saying anything, it'd be a call. Here, he's put out multiple chips, and the value he put out is enough to represent the call plus at least half of the minimum raise, therefore it's a minimum raise. A card room would have to have a specific rule that raises must be announced verbally, to justify ruling the way you think they should.

Edit: actually now that I think about it some more, A.Ertbjerg is right in that this is usually ruled a call. I've seen this scenario play out countless times at Foxwoods: someone raises to $7 (standard raise for TAG regs in the room) and someone behind puts in 2 red chips. This is always understood to be a call, even though it represents the original bet plus at least half of a minimum raise.

You are ignoring that the one $5 chip isn't enough to call.

How should the player call then? Or rather why does he need to clarify that he is calling rather than clarify that he is raising? In other scenarios it is a call unless he clarifies he is raising.

You're right, see my edit of my post.

My understanding of the rules is that this is a raise ... unless otherwise announced.

In any event I wouldn't act until it had been sorted out and it was known what it was.


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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/202/mortar-brick/

They know more about this type of stuff.