Just wondering if it is normal for you to make such huge over bets with aces? Do you think that is the way to max profit with them versus penny players?

what are you playing for, if you loath poker so damn much and dont think much of people who play it? scum of the earth? well you play it too,. Chill out, your venting i understand. so take a break, a week, month, year whatever. come back refocused. KK's never win preflop?, your sample is what 2000 hands!. and you took a shot at 20NL with what, a 100$ bankroll, you need at least 20 buyins, probably more given your winrate. for exacetly the reason you described, people will hit there 2 outers. thats poker. love it or leave it.

I'm also in the process of building a bankroll on stars, starting with micro games. Currently grinding the $1 + $0.10 turbo SNGs (45 players). They're nice and easy... it's very little money involved, but i play 8 tables at a time and make a steady 5$ per hour or so. pretty sure I'd be up more than 50 bucks if I played all day.

my questions are about the 45 player $3 + $0.25 turbo sngs. im very much interested in those, but dont have quite the bankroll yet.

How soft are the games compared to the 1$ ones?
What would be a safe bankroll for them? 150-200$? I'm currently at a 80$ bankroll (just started with a 50$ deposit) and thinking of making the move when I hit 150... then back to 1$ SNGs if I drop below 100.

Always and i mean, ALWAYS shove AA on 2nL if there has been action before you. You will get called much more often than not.

That being said- they don't fall for it ,and you won't get two callers on bigger games, unless they have AA/KK.

i will try to add this to my game.

Fair enough, like I said I'm not a 2NL regular, do whatcha gotta do to get paid off right? And, good luck, I followed your last journey as well.

I decided to give this BR builder a try.

Day 1 about 6 - 8 tables buying in for $1. Played about 14% of hands total including the blinds (don't have poker tracker on this computer to provide VPIP #s). 537 hands today and up $2.43 or 11.43/100.

Here is a hand I played that was based on a read. Not sure if I should have pushed preflop or waited to the flop to evaluate where I was. Villian was rather aggro and made bigger raises with weaker hands. I interpreted his re-raise to indicate two broadway or a middle pair. I didn't think he'd fold to the push and was sure I was ahead. Does anyone else push here or do you see a flop and re-evaluate? The result would likely be the same. There's no way I fold this flop and I figure he calls with his actual holding but with a different flop I can get away from the hand if 2 or three broadways hit.




Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

Hero (UTG): $1.96
MP: $8.11
CO: $2.96
BTN: $10.08
SB: $2.80
BB: $2.11

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with T T
Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.96 all in, BTN calls $1.66

Flop: ($3.95) 7 7 T (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($3.95) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($3.95) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Status: 35.00 has become 90.00

I was up to 100 last night, but have taken a few ugly beats and played a few hands poorly enough to cost me a few bucks. Won't be playing the rest of the night, but good luck to those of you that do!

My 138 has turned into 105


I run REALLY bad at SNGs, seriously. My last 10 played, I've bubbled 8 of them (including 5 in a row at one point), got 3rd place once, and 5th the other.

If I wasn't doing alright at .02/.05, I would be around 80.

I'm going strictly to cash games for now to get the bankroll back up, and when I hit $140, I'm going to start throwing NL10 into the mix. I feel comfortable that I can beat it, and if I throw one or two tables into my 6-tabling I feel like I'd have a BR for it in no time.


Dave- I call, evaluate on flop. With the given flop, I would probably check-raise all in if he bet. The way it is played, it is fine, and you got the short (very short) end of the stick. Keep getting your money in when you're the favorite though

just imo for u tourney players when u get a big enough roll the $4.40 180s r the best bankroll builder on the net imo. I have only deposited once in my life and that was 50 bucks on stars and played these tourneys got lucky early on and now have bout 1k on stars 500 on absolute and like 200 on ftp. So when u get the rolls and r comfortable takin a shot u mtt players can make alot of money off the bad play.


ACTUALLY DONT LISTEN TO ME, THE GAMES R FISHY THE WAY THEY R LOL JK
GOOD LUCK TO U ALL

what do i do wrong?
i play standard TAG. 23/10/1
only PFR 10 and AF 1 because i shortstack (1$ at 2NL) a lot. that destroys the stats.

I just read most of the thread and wish you good luck.

I deposited £20 on pacific which was $40 + a $5 bonus so my bankroll started at $45.

Played NL$2 for a while, at the time the most tables you could play at once was 4. So I always played 4 tables just so the hands came round quicker.

Also had a lucky break in a 10c tourny and cashed around £35.

When I reached $100 I took shots at NL$10 and after a while I was 4-tabling those games.
Ran my bankroll to $600 grinding and then started to take shots at NL$25 but I got outplayed and took a few bad beats which really shook my confidence.

Started playing NL$25 again this month and I think I'm getting the hang of it now. :-) +13 buyins in 3 days was great.

Thinking of taking shots at NL$50 when my pc is running smoothly again.

I'm down, working on building a roll from $13, not much for cash games though so playing non-turbo $1 STTs and some micro HU sngs. I'm already up to bout $17 so I'm feeling good. Yay for rakeback giving me this $13 .

I really wouldnt classify this as standard TAG. I think you need to tighten up and stop calling preflop. You gotta remember that when short stacking you don't have the implied odds to play something like 98s and set-mining also has extremely less implied odds and are only borderline profitable.

also I don't see why the AF should get smaller when short stacking. You need to push you hands hard when you hit. that means that you propably want your money in the middle by the turn. You shouldn't be calling much, you should be betting and raising AI.

I actually haven't shortstacked myself so if anybody disagrees please speak up.

Agreed, 50BB isnt enough to call with speculative hands like suited connectors, or set mine for that matter. U need at least 75BB and your opponents must have at least 75BB for u to call w pocket pairs, suited connectors et la., heads-up. the reason being when u connect u gotta get paid big to compensate for all the times u missed. collecting 50BB from an oppenent aint gonna do it. its -EV longrun. but if u have multiple callers u could relax that rule and call w your 50BB stack. thats why u should play fullstacked, to maximize expectation. and if your shortstacked, when the pots big, u got NO FOLD equity. if u shove allin and villain has 8outs or more his call will be +EV. = u lose in long run. IMO.

correct me if i am wrong.

shortstack play is terrible.

so if you insist on calling preF raises w pocketpairs 22-99 preF, suited connectors,make sure its mutiway 3 or more. (greater probability someone will pay of off)and stop cold-calling w junk broadway cards. (i.e KQ<, QJ< AJ<; except for JTs, J9s maybe QJs are okay(if multiway))it just aint profitable.

TAG is 18-14, 12-9, 16-15; ie. a difference of no more than +4 between VPIP and PFR w; a VPIP of no more than 18 IMO.

given your stack size, for reasons mentioned above, i think it would optimal to play at 12-8ish.

Well, all I have to say is that it can be done. I started from zero, won $2 in a $1000 freeroll (the kind where you have to hit the final three tables and then play the $1000 roll after that). After I won the $2 I played it up. I got lucky in the beginning but after about $20 I knew I wasn't losing it anymore. I am now up to about $300 and multi-tabling $10nl regularly. Easy money.

And honestly, it is perfectly acceptable to play 2nl a bit weak-tight. On many tables it isn't at all uncommon to see VP$P of 50%+, so by playing opposite of the table dynamic, you can really get paid off rather easily.

And yeah, there has been discussion on this, but many feel it may in fact be optimal to open-shove AA/KK at the super-micros. I am not certain I agree, but I don't think it is bad to say the least. At these levels, you will get called often enough that it will surprise you.

Good to have ya back gina and best of luck to ya. Our chatting when ya started last time got me back to playing some cash games, thanks! I say that because I needed the nudge but wont expand more unless asked since this isnt BBV. Interesting comments about the different playstyles working at different levels, over the past months ive realized how true that is, you can play a way more passive style at the lower limits and still make $$.

Started at $5 a few days ago, donated by a friend who built $1000 from $10
And it's at $8 now.

It's good to get to learn the game and bankroll management when even 2/4c limit looks scary

I've played about 12 of the $1.10 turbo 45s, and have won 3, and came 3rd and 7th - the standard of play is not good at all!

So, from my $20 starting BR, I'm up to $54 - time to take a shot at the $2.20 games I think

I've done this on a few different sites but I always run out of motivation.

Got a 5 € christmas bonus from one site and ran that into 68 € in a few weeks by playing micro sngs. Victor Chandler Poker was offering a no-depo 10$ bonus and I'm currently building that up. I'm at a little over 20 bucks atm, playing .02/.04 and .01/.02.

Having tried them, I'll concur that the 210 fpp 2 table sats to the 100k are supersoft. I've placed in 3 out of 4 so far.

That's pretty brutal.

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP: $0.13
CO: $2.38
Hero (BTN): $2.68
SB: $3.17
BB: $1.69
UTG: $5.54
UTG+1: $3.52

Pre-Flop: K K dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG calls $0.02, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, SB calls $0.07, BB raises to $1.69 and is All-In, UTG folds, Hero calls $1.61, SB folds

Flop: ($3.48) J 4 K (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: ($3.48) Q (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($3.48) T (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $3.48 Pot ($0.15 Rake)
Hero showed K K (three of a kind, Kings) and LOST (-$1.69 NET)
BB showed A Q (a straight, Ten to Ace) and WON $3.33 (+$1.64 NET)


How rediculous is that. There goes the whole profit for that session.

Gradually rebuilding.

Quick question, I have all my FTP hands being saved but don't currently have PT or anything. If I get it will I be able to upload those hands and see graphs etc?