Villian was new to table and disappeared a few hands later so no stats:


PokerStars - $0.02 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG+1: $0.80
MP: $1.81
MP+1: $2.07
CO: $4.14
Hero (BTN): $4.97
SB: $0.90
BB: $2.81
UTG: $4.06

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.10, fold, fold, MP+1 calls $0.08, CO raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.50, fold, CO raises to $4.14 and is all-in, fold

CO wins $1.13

Why are you raising so small? 5 bb open with 2 limpers, then a 25 bb 4bet?

That said, CO's line is weird as all hell and looks like it's either AA or random garbage he decided to go nuts with, so a fold isn't terrible.

I dont know why you would 4B IP with QQ instead of taking the flop and playing poker.

Not really sure what happened my first bet size as I usually add on a bb for each limper.

The 4 bet size to be honest could have been anything. I will have to read up on 4 betting and sizes.

I'm playing 2nl and usually I don't 4 bet ever (I dont think I've had an opportunity even with AA or KK)

Looking back at it that would make sense.
With JJ that would have been my play.

His limp/reraise threw me. And I probably fire off a 4 bet without stopping for long enough to think it through.

I'm not getting it in with QQ 200bb deep with a complete unknown. Per wafflehouse I would rather call his 3-bet and see a flop.

At 2NL you can take a very simple line with 4bets...don't do it unless you want to get all your money in pre.

Yeah raise sizing is pretty small. Go more for value. The limp minraise looks suspicious and i tend to just give them credit without stats, but you can never fold in this situation to the price your being laid.

A 4bet flushes out all his crap (unless you have a read that he's a fish, which you dont) and gets calls only from better.

Is this a simple example of having a plan befor the hand? Whats your lines?

For example.

If you are re-raised - call or raise? = Call

Whats your line if an Ace or King and he bets the flop = Fold

What about if all the cards are under a Queen and he bets? = ???


Also, what about 4 betting AK? (I thought it was a 5 bet?)

Is this different than QQ?

It depends on your opponent . there is no one line fits all for any certain hand . As a general rule tho , dont 4 bet a hand unless your willing to call a shove with it , as Mr.Beer said .

Well villains line is either AA or something he spazs with against your perceived isolation raise.

With that said we're in position with 200bb effective stacks facing a min-raise so the obvious answer against this line is to call and see a flop with the following plan.

1. Any A/K on the flop we fold to a normal size bet, we call if it's something like a min-bet
2. Any Q hits we look at how suited the flop is and evaluate the options of raise or call and raise turn.
3. If the flop is all undercards we just call down reasonable size bets and fold to anything that seems stupid.
4. If we float the flop and villain doesn't lead turn or river we bet it and fold to a c/r
5. If villain leads out on the river and there is still no A/K on the board fold to anything > 1/2 psb.

Gold.

This is the sort of stuff I need to learn.........for a myriad of situations.

I suppose these decisions are influenced by all sorts of permiatations. Including type of opponent, range, equity, position etc.

Thank you

Thanks everyone.

not every situation is the same, it depends on stake, current chips and position on table and what kind of player you are facing (agressive or slowplay)

this is fine

Correct fold with no read.

If you were less deep would've have been horrible spot.

hm, i would snapcall this at 2nl even 200bb deep against a fishy looking player all day long(no reg takes that line). but depends a lot on how you play, gameflow your image etc. A min5bet would be much more scarier.

At 2NL, if someone limp re-raises anywhere but UTG (aces, ldo) it's often an idiot with a medium pocket pair that thinks he's racing with AK. This particular spot is tricky because you're deep, but I'm often seeing bad short-stacks limp-re-raise-shove hands like 88 and 99. For 40bb, it's an easy call with QQ. For 200bb it's not so easy. I'd call the 20c and see a flop, as per Beer and Knytestorme's advice.