PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 115.4 BB (VPIP: 22.86, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BB: 75.2 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 3.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
UTG: 217 BB (VPIP: 61.76, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 34)
MP: 102.9 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (CO): 96 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

UTG calls 1 BB, MP raises to 4 BB, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 10 BB, fold, MP calls 7 BB

Flop: (34.5 BB, 3 players) J J 8
BB bets 64.2 BB and is all-in, MP raises to 91.9 BB and is all-in, fold

Turn: (162.9 BB, 2 players) 3

River: (162.9 BB, 2 players) T

BB shows 7 7 (Two Pair, Jacks and Sevens)
(Pre 53%, Flop 42%, Turn 61%)
MP shows K A (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 48%, Flop 58%, Turn 39%)
BB wins 155.6 BB

i was gonna call if MP folded, most of the time at least one of these guys has to have a jack right? and should my 3 bet have been more? thanks

Tough spot for sure ... One has a heart draw and the other would be assumed to have a 'stronger' hand. You just don't know who is who here .. it could also be 9Ts as well.

You raised 7 into 10.5, so at a minimum of 8 to 1 to set mine everyone is priced into calling (7 x 8 = 56 ... BB is shorty at 70+). So there is an argument for raising more to further limit the set mining and to try and isolate MP.

You don't have the Kh. I don't think too many can blame you for folding into 2 players here. There is a saying that if you aren't making some 'bad' folds then you aren't playing well.

Being mainly a live player, I'm sure that the table would be shocked and say "well played to the BB for 'playing poker' once his hand holds no weight after this Flop. GL

thanks, great answer.

what would be the "standard" 3 bet size here for value? and how should i interpret these kind of spaz plays at low limits online in the future? i just had no idea what these guys were doing here

I don't play online so 'standard' is not available to me. We don't know your stats, but we do see that MP is playing 'lots' of hands (and he raises every hand he plays) so his range is wide. This normally would mean your bet size is 'very good' since it may keep him in the hand at a decent price with a large range of holdings and you have position. My feeling is that in online play you need to bet more though, probably at least 'pot' here in order to get HU with MP.

As far as having 'no idea' .. you just need to play lots of hands. Like I said before, in live play the BB made a pretty risky (yet effective) poker play at the pot and was very lucky that MP decided to call and provide 'protection' against the real hand in play. GL

If you don't show results pretty much everyone would say good fold.

If you said villains are two drunk 'tards, most would still say good fold.

nh wp, don't post results.

In my experience, many bad players assume a 3bet = AK.

So if they have a pocket pair they think they are good when no A or K comes.

Work on exploiting this tendency. Personally, I like to flat AK a lot, with this being one of the reasons. You don't get paid off when you hit and have to fold when you don't.

lol @ the BB who is 20/3 and decides to jam all-in 2x pot with pocket 7s on that board against 2 players.

Kind of a hard spot when seeing 2 people shove all-in on a paired flop where the pair is definitely in both villains 3bet calling range. The BB jam is total spew, I wouldn't give him credit for the trip jacks since he donks into 2 players for 2x pot (as stated above). MP reshove is pretty sick but he does this with AJ, KJ, QJ, AQhh, AKhh (possibly KQhh since he is 40/40 vpip/pfr) and possibly QQ...I don't hate the fold but with the bloated pot from the BB shove, a grunge call could be argued, you have to win the pot 48% of the time to make the 92bb call into the 191bb pot (about 2:1). This is me trying to not be results oriented since we see all know what villains have.

As the hands flip over (assuming you called the 2 all-ins on the flop)
KK = 50%
AKhh = 41%
77 = 9%

BUT

That is only after you found out that BB was a total donk and was pretty much shipping dead money. The hands that the two villains turn over is pretty near perfect for you (within the realm of reason) other then MP having KQhh (60/32). But without knowing it, I think this is a good fold.

Oh and if one of the villans did show up with the trips your win percentage is > 10% to turn/river your boat for the scoop.

Fold is fine, it's playing like a tard fight OTF and when that happens and Jx beats you, you can safely fold.

I also agree with your plan to call if you got HU with tard 1.

It's a cash game bruh, its ok to be wrong with kk here. They could have a flush draw as well... AQ HH is all in for sure.