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Is betting suited-connectors hugely -EV at low micro-stakes (no fold-equity)? Is betting suited-connectors hugely -EV at low micro-stakes (no fold-equity)?

04-22-2017 , 03:54 AM
As I understand it, 1/2 the reason for betting suited-connectors, say 98s-, is for some fold-equity both preflop & postflop as a semi-bluff (same for suited-aces A9s-).

But there's rarely any fold-equity at < 25NL.

- So is open-raising 87s or A6s, even from the button, suicide at low micro-stakes?
- The same for calling a preflop raise with 87s, A6s?
- The same 2 questions for dominated offsuit broadways

In all these cases you're relying only on value-equity.
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04-22-2017 , 04:15 AM
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But there's rarely any fold-equity at < 25NL
that is just not true and I don't know why it's such a widespread belief. you just have to log on, watch some hands go down and you'll see people clicking the fold button
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04-22-2017 , 04:19 AM
Definitley want to be open raising those from the button, I think theres more fe at the micros than you might appreciate, especially with allot of fit or fold play post. And you gotta remember suited connectors hit flops in less obvious ways that means you can valuetown players more when they do.
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04-22-2017 , 05:00 AM
tiltninja alread said, but i'm adding some emphasis

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But there's rarely any fold-equity at < 25NL
this is utter, utter nonsense.

There are stations everywhere in poker as there are nits, ABC's, fit and fold, regs, maniacs etc.

This is true of 2nl upwards, except there are more of every type at 2nl...the only thing you don't get many of are strong regs.

87s is in my IP calling range (deeper eff stacks or versus passive fish), my 3bet range versus wide opens, my stealing range (inc UTG) and my pref lop folding range when none of the above applies.

A6s similar, but its an easier fold 100bb eff stack versus regs on a tight range. (I have some Axs 3bet bluffs versus a strong range but, A6 is not one of them) always 3betting bluffing a wide range with it tho (unless villain is a preflop station).

tl/dr

work on your ranges from maths/theory/actual stats...not population myths
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04-22-2017 , 05:14 AM
Out of curiosity just checked my DB for 87s (Stars 10nlz) and I'm pretty much exactly b/e with it (73 hands out of 22000). Done slightly better calling with it than RFI (which surprised me).

6 preflop 3bets, got 5 folds.

Overall, from an EV perspective...meh, from a range balance perspective...nice.

I'm also b/e with A6s...but I only played it 11 times, 51 times Axs (where x < 7), so I guess I'm more selective with Axs than I thought (and probably too loose with SC). +EV though, so seems I'm play Axs better (small sample).

Hey op, cheers for the impromptu leak hunt.

Last edited by Fatboy54; 04-22-2017 at 05:22 AM.
Is betting suited-connectors hugely -EV at low micro-stakes (no fold-equity)? Quote
04-22-2017 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by tiltninja
that is just not true and I don't know why it's such a widespread belief. you just have to log on, watch some hands go down and you'll see people clicking the fold button
It's because people get their information and training material from outdated sources (2006-2010). Back then, the micros really were full of calling stations who couldn't fold any piece of the board. Fast forward to 2017, the game has changed massively. More nits, more folding, far fewer fish, more people taking the game seriously.

OP, if you're using training material, at least check the date when it was published. Anything 2010 or earlier will probably not be that relevant to today's online games.
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04-22-2017 , 06:24 AM
^^ nice poast. BQ has been rampant recently with this sort of outdated advice.
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04-22-2017 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by bdc
- So is open-raising 87s or A6s, even from the button, suicide at low micro-stakes?
- The same for calling a preflop raise with 87s, A6s?
- The same 2 questions for dominated offsuit broadways
1. SCs and suited aces are standard button opens.
2. SCs and suited aces are standard 3-bets (or folds) in position. They barely break even as calls or 3-bets, but work as decent balancers for your value-raises.
3. Offsuit Broadways (apart from AK/AQ) should usually be standard folds in position when facing a raise. If you 3-bet hands like KJo, you have too much air in your 3-betting range, and calling is probably even worse.
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04-22-2017 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by tiltninja
that is just not true and I don't know why it's such a widespread belief. you just have to log on, watch some hands go down and you'll see people clicking the fold button
Or better, sit down and print money against those calling stations like 2006 (which there aren't that many any more for the obvious reason that burning money causes said money to run out)
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