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Old 07-31-2012, 05:01 PM   #16
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congrats op

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10k hands count for [something or other].

Really dude , one plays 10k hands in a weekend of grinding. It means nothing.
Jerk.

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Old 07-31-2012, 05:20 PM   #17
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Re: Becoming an Amateur... My First 10k Hands ... Momma I made it!

Too many graphs, too many threads.

I'll repost the stats here:


VPIP of 35.9%, PFR of 15.8%, 3-bet 4.6%

The gap between the first two numbers is too great. Fold a bit more often instead of calling raises. If you start with solid hands, you're more likely to have the best hand at showdown, where the pots are biggest and more worth winning.

AF of 3.06 is lower than I expected. WTSD% of 27.7% is fine, but surprisingly high for someone with such a crazy redline. Don't let it get above 29% though. That would indicate you're a calling station and showing up on the river with 2nd best hands more often than not. Indeed, most winning players have a W$SD figure of between 50 and 55%. You're only winning at showdown 42% of the time. It's amazing that you're not actually losing money overall!

What I'd really like to know is your donkbet and flop-raise stats. Can you find out how often you bet the flop before the pre-flop aggressor puts in a c-bet and also see how often you come over the top of a flop bet? I really want to know why your opponents are apparently folding so often.
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Old 07-31-2012, 05:30 PM   #18
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Re: Becoming an Amateur... My First 10k Hands ... Momma I made it!

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Too many graphs, too many threads.

I'll repost the stats here:


VPIP of 35.9%, PFR of 15.8%, 3-bet 4.6%

The gap between the first two numbers is too great. Fold a bit more often instead of calling raises. If you start with solid hands, you're more likely to have the best hand at showdown, where the pots are biggest and more worth winning.

AF of 3.06 is lower than I expected. WTSD% of 27.7% is fine, but surprisingly high for someone with such a crazy redline. Don't let it get above 29% though. That would indicate you're a calling station and showing up on the river with 2nd best hands more often than not. Indeed, most winning players have a W$SD figure of between 50 and 55%. You're only winning at showdown 42% of the time. It's amazing that you're not actually losing money overall!

What I'd really like to know is your donkbet and flop-raise stats. Can you find out how often you bet the flop before the pre-flop aggressor puts in a c-bet and also see how often you come over the top of a flop bet? I really want to know why your opponents are apparently folding so often.
don't mean to derail the thread but what would a W$SD stat of 55.53 mean if WTSD is 29.4%? is that basically just a winning station? and if so does that mean i'm getting lucky
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Old 07-31-2012, 05:34 PM   #19
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10k hands count for [an infraction for evading the profanity filter].

Really dude , one plays 10k hands in a weekend of grinding. It means nothing.
pffft 10k hands is a good indicator if you do it right. If you playing that many tables, you probably ain't doing it right.

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Old 07-31-2012, 05:35 PM   #20
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don't mean to derail the thread but what would a W$SD stat of 55.53 mean if WTSD is 29.4%? is that basically just a winning station? and if so does that mean i'm getting lucky
I would say you are running pretty hot then
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Old 07-31-2012, 05:36 PM   #21
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I would say you are running pretty hot then
even over 28000 hands? + quite a horrible downswing in the middle which i've recovered handsomely from
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Old 07-31-2012, 05:52 PM   #22
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don't mean to derail the thread but what would a W$SD stat of 55.53 mean if WTSD is 29.4%? is that basically just a winning station? and if so does that mean i'm getting lucky
Yeah, you've probably been fairly lucky, but sample size has a lot to say here.
A couple of weeks ago, I was reaching showdown a whopping 33% of the time and had the best hand 58% of the time. I was on an insane heater, where I kept flopping sets and flushes and getting paid off, but it only lasted 1200 hands.
Some players also play a lot of drawing hands (suited connectors especially) so often reach showdown because they flop a decent draw and villain doesn't price them out of chasing it. if they bink the flushes/straights more often than expected then the W$SD can shoot up.
You can contrast this to the fit-or-fold nitboxes. They might only play pairs and AK, and very rarely a suited ace or suited connector. They might only have a WTSD of 20%, but if they make it to the river it's because they had at least TPTK, and often an overpair of set, so their W$SD can be as high as 60% or more.
A well rounded TAG will be more likely to have a WTSD of around 22-27% and a W$SD just above 50%. If you're winning at SD 55% of the time or more, then you're probably not raising on the river often enough. If you raise on the river when you think you're ahead, you'll get more value when villains call. (If they fold to your raise, then the hand won't have increased your WTSD).
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:29 PM   #23
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Re: Becoming an Amateur... My First 10k Hands ... Momma I made it!

35/15= fish imo, just sayin
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Old 08-01-2012, 01:30 AM   #24
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Wow! Grats!

67,37€ in 3 weeks is a lot! Am I right?
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Old 08-01-2012, 08:18 AM   #25
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High five to having similar redlines!
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:03 AM   #26
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Great start OP! Although I have to agree that 10K hands isn't a ton of hands, it's very likely your true winrate at 2NL is going to be higher than the average player. That being said, I have also had 10K hand stretches with ridic winrates. I'm very interested to see your graph after 25K-50K hands.

One of the biggest factors here is your winrate in the BB. Most people are huge losers in the BB and you are a huge winner so far. This leads me to believe your are running hotter than the sun because I don't know of anyone that is a long-term winner in the BB.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:38 AM   #27
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Re: Becoming an Amateur... My First 10k Hands ... Momma I made it!

When i started at 5nl i was up around $60 after the first 10k hands but that win rate didn't last long.

Nice giraffe all the same GL OP.
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Old 08-01-2012, 04:09 PM   #28
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Re: Becoming an Amateur... My First 10k Hands ... Momma I made it!

Once again thank you all for your feedback and suggestions, and the flames, I do learn from them (eg: not being a jerk to other newbies like me).

- I'm aware that 10k can be a minor sample but I'm at least grateful that I'm winning afterall. Next month I'll try to increase my hand count and see what happens. I also do think that my BB/100 may fall down.

- I'll also focus on decreasing my VPIP, especially from the SB.

- The reason my W$SD % is low while I still profit might be that I win big pots and wave smaller ones due to fishy calls. I also strongly chase, hunt and haunt the fish. I have a very dedicated fishlist (I probably am in the fishlist of many of my opponents and fellow 2p2 posters too ).


@Arty: I'll try to post those stats later when I have access to my database again. Let's find out what I'm doing correctly to make my opponents fold.
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Old 08-01-2012, 04:11 PM   #29
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- I'm aware that 10k can be a minor sample but I'm at least grateful that I'm winning afterall. Next month I'll try to increase my hand count and see what happens. I also do think that my BB/100 may fall down.
There's a line between playing the number of tables/hands that you're comfortable with, such as 1 or 2 atm like you said, and trying to overdo it because some posters can play a trillion times the hands that you do.

Don;t push it and go at your own pace. Increased volume/your limit will come naturally with time etc
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Old 08-01-2012, 04:50 PM   #30
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There's a line between playing the number of tables/hands that you're comfortable with, such as 1 or 2 atm like you said, and trying to overdo it because some posters can play a trillion times the hands that you do.

Don;t push it and go at your own pace. Increased volume/your limit will come naturally with time etc
Thank you for the heads up, I'm going to follow this advice.

I'm currently in the transition from 1 to 2 tables, I started doing it after I realized I was able to reply posts at 2p2 while playing at a table. So I said why not play 2 tables instead of doing that, and it seems to be working.

Tried 3 tables for a few hands but it became too fast for me so I backed down.
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