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11-21-2014 , 01:02 PM
13 left in $2 MTT. Pay structure flat until last few places. table 6 handed, UTG +1. Blinds 1500/3000.

partypoker - $5+$0|750/1500 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): 17.63 BB
CO: 12.21 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)
BTN: 12.23 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 7.46, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 70)
SB: 10.31 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BB: 34.46 BB (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 19.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 76)
UTG: 32.06 BB (VPIP: 20.69, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)

6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has Q J

fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (5.1 BB, 2 players) 8 4 5
BB checks, Hero bets 2.55 BB, BB calls 2.55 BB

Turn: (10.2 BB, 2 players) A
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (10.2 BB, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets 12.98 BB and is all-in, BB calls 12.98 BB

BB shows 5 A (Two Pair, Aces and Fives)
(Pre 58%, Flop 73%, Turn 80%)
Hero shows Q J (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 42%, Flop 27%, Turn 20%)
BB wins 36.16 BB
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11-21-2014 , 01:23 PM
You should of continued the turn in most spots and when you jam the river idk are you repping AK and trying to get max value I mean you have just a random 6 or 66? I mean he obviously wasn't folding when he made 2 pair in this spot. It was bad the more I think about it you will get people to throw away better hands but it's just not worth it. Yeah, I mean it was bad you should of continued the turn if your going to jam the river. You took a perfect line for value without having any value.
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11-21-2014 , 04:47 PM
Your flop continuation is fine. The turn is also a pretty great card to throw another bet in and see if the Ace has scared away any flopped pairs or pocket pairs that were going to see one more card.

I see what you're trying to do here... the river comes out a scary card for the straight and it also bricks the runner-runner flush if he happened to have a big club. What you need to think about here is the effectiveness of an all-in vs. a bet that looks like a value bet.

When you shove all-in it kind of looks like you missed your 4-to-a-flush draw or you have a big Ace with a high club 2nd card. Holding a six in your hand doesn't make all that much sense since you raised preflop in early position and bet all the way through so it's a relatively easy call for him. Think about this though - if you were to bet 6BBs wouldn't it get the same result in most scenarios as an all-in? Except you don't put your entire stack at risk and you still gain the same rewards for winning.

While I don't think you played this hand the best, your move on the river isn't terrible either, considering he has to fold all of his holdings that are low 2pr or worse.
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11-21-2014 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Motown_RC
Your flop continuation is fine. The turn is also a pretty great card to throw another bet in and see if the Ace has scared away any flopped pairs or pocket pairs that were going to see one more card.

I see what you're trying to do here... the river comes out a scary card for the straight and it also bricks the runner-runner flush if he happened to have a big club. What you need to think about here is the effectiveness of an all-in vs. a bet that looks like a value bet.

When you shove all-in it kind of looks like you missed your 4-to-a-flush draw or you have a big Ace with a high club 2nd card. Holding a six in your hand doesn't make all that much sense since you raised preflop in early position and bet all the way through so it's a relatively easy call for him. Think about this though - if you were to bet 6BBs wouldn't it get the same result in most scenarios as an all-in? Except you don't put your entire stack at risk and you still gain the same rewards for winning.

While I don't think you played this hand the best, your move on the river isn't terrible either, considering he has to fold all of his holdings that are low 2pr or worse.
Thanks! Maybe with 17bb i should have either shoved or folded pre? Should i have taken more account of ICM?
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