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Old 08-05-2012, 03:00 PM   #91
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Re: August Beginners Bankroll Thread

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So you'd advocate that over taking the VIP reward bonus? Think i've got about 8000 FPP's to use.
VIP reward costs 1fpp anyways
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Old 08-05-2012, 03:23 PM   #92
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I think people normally use the FPP to play the sunday something satellite 235fpp hyper turbo or so
think it had the most value/FPP
Could someone explain to me how these are better value? Unless you have an edge playing them..
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Old 08-05-2012, 04:39 PM   #93
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A platinum star gets $200 for 15400 VPPs, you can enter 65 235FPP hypers for this so as long as you know how to play shove/fold poker then you should win ~1/3 of games which is ~$230 so they are ever so slightly better value than Platinumstar. If you are below platinumstar though then they are vastly better value especially as shove/fold poker is pretty easy but obviously high variance.
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Old 08-05-2012, 04:54 PM   #94
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Yeah you can use a pushbot chart and win 1/3 like raikkonen said (also think he meant 15400FPP)

If you're a good SNG grinder you can probably get some more value out of those

I think as Platinum Star Grinder it's starting to get better to buy the reward though

Because playing 65 hypers takes some time you could spend playing cash/SNGs instead

So if your EV playing cash/SNG is higher than the difference from buying the dough/playing the hypers instead, or you're just not likeing the high variance route, you could buy the cash


Also don't forget to unregister from the tournament last time I played 15 hyper turbos I forgot to unbuy from the initial one and missed the tourney :|
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Old 08-05-2012, 04:55 PM   #95
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Ahhh i see
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Old 08-05-2012, 05:45 PM   #96
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VIP reward costs 1fpp anyways
Stella Rewards cost 1FPP but the reward bonus costs more depending on your status.

TBF you could run way under EV in 65 games of hypers so I may be worth it to take the non variance route. Not sure how good my shove/fold game is anyway. Think I shove too wide.
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:49 PM   #97
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Re: August Beginners Bankroll Thread

So I just played a short session. Was running well, playing well, 3 BI up, then on one of my tables I ran into a preflop push-monkey. After 5 hands, I decided he was pushing ATC (his play had been maniacal up to that point too). So I called with 99, QQ, KQ, AT, and A5, was ahead every single time, and lost every one. So now there's a megafish on the 4NL tables at Party with a $25 stack. Go get him.

Meh variance.
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Old 08-05-2012, 09:35 PM   #98
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So I called with 99, QQ, KQ, AT, and A5, was ahead every single time, and lost every one. So now there's a megafish on the 4NL tables at Party with a $25 stack. Go get him.
Ouch! I was just observing the Party 4NL tables, actually. I'm gonna be playing on them tomorrow now that my Kelly Criterion figures have lined up. *bankroll nit*
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:10 AM   #99
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Re: August Beginners Bankroll Thread

Just had an epic session at NL2. 5 BIs in 262 hands lol.




    Pacific, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    CO: $3.05 (152.5 bb)
    BTN: $5.25 (262.5 bb)
    SB: $2.01 (100.5 bb)
    BB: $2.04 (102 bb)
    UTG: $0.45 (22.5 bb)
    Hero (MP): $4.43 (221.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with A K
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.06, CO folds, BTN raises to $0.21, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.63, BTN calls $0.42

    Flop: ($1.29) Q A T (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.70, BTN calls $0.70

    Turn: ($2.69) 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.34, BTN folds

    Spoiler:


    Villain is 26/23/13.0 over 77 hands. Was definitely worried over this hand but glad it pulled through. He snapped called flop bet so I was actually planning on giving up on the turn..

    Figured Vils. range is AQ+ JJ - KK ?? and AQ and QQ is beating me.

    But yeah otherwise standard stuff, setmining, aces and kings etc.
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    Old 08-06-2012, 06:17 AM   #100
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    500 hands, +1 BI. Felt like I played well - at times I'm too aggressive, but today I pulled off my first 5bet bluff (don't worry, crazy history with this person). This kind of thing is always nice too (against an otherwise solid LAG):

    PartyGaming - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    Hero (CO): $5.68
    BTN: $0.92
    SB: $6.94
    BB: $7.12
    UTG: $4.73

    SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has A A

    UTG raises to $0.16, Hero raises to $0.48, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.32

    Flop: ($1.02, 2 players) 7 3 7
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50

    Turn: ($2.02, 2 players) 3
    UTG checks, Hero bets $1.20, UTG calls $1.20

    River: ($4.42, 2 players) 4
    UTG checks, Hero bets $3.50 and is all-in, UTG calls $2.55 and is all-in

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    Helped that my 3bet% was 18% at the time, but how often does he seriously think I'm triple barrelling that kind of board?
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    Old 08-06-2012, 07:53 PM   #101
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    Re: August Beginners Bankroll Thread

    Am I the only one who posts in this thread? :P I had a torrid time at 4NL this morning, lost 3BIs to coolers and bad beats, but decided to try my hand at semi-mass-multitabling 2NL - 10 tables, and over 1.1k hands, up 9BI (so up $6 for the day) (RUNGOOT). Couldn't stomach playing nitty so ended up 10 tabling FR playing 17/14. Also my first 2k hand day.
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    Old 08-06-2012, 10:14 PM   #102
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    Haha we're losing people to the ZOOM poker thread But if that thread is any indication, a lot of those guys should come back especially to playing normal tables.

    Just finished up a session at NL2 4 tabling. Won a couple BIs which is nice

      Pacific, $0.03/$0.06 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      UTG+2: $3.38 (56.3 bb)
      MP1: $3.77 (62.8 bb)
      MP2: $10.61 (176.8 bb)
      MP3: $5.81 (96.8 bb)
      CO: $13.05 (217.5 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $6 (100 bb)
      SB: $2.51 (41.8 bb)
      BB: $7.44 (124 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with T T
      UTG+2 raises to $0.12, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.42, 2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $3.38 and is all-in, Hero folds

      Spoiler:


      ???

      Viillain is 29/15/6.3 over 78 hands.


        Pacific, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        UTG: $2.56 (128 bb)
        MP: $0.81 (40.5 bb)
        CO: $6.95 (347.5 bb)
        BTN: $0.21 (10.5 bb)
        SB: $1 (50 bb)
        Hero (BB): $2 (100 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with T 3
        UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, CO folds, BTN calls $0.02, SB completes, Hero checks

        Flop: ($0.10) T T T (5 players)
        SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.10, MP folds, BTN calls $0.10

        Turn: ($0.50) 8 (4 players)
        SB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, UTG folds, BTN calls $0.09

        River: ($1.09) J (3 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $1.63 and is all-in, SB folds

        Spoiler:


        What line do you guys take? Feel I could have put in a raise on the flop but when I call flop I feel that raising on the turn exposes I have a decent full house there?

          Pacific, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

          MP3: $0.40 (20 bb)
          CO: $0.39 (19.5 bb)
          BTN: $0.09 (4.5 bb)
          Hero (SB): $2.57 (128.5 bb)
          BB: $0.52 (26 bb)
          UTG+2: $2 (100 bb)
          MP1: $2.17 (108.5 bb)
          MP2: $1.92 (96 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is SB with A T
          MP3 posts BB OOP, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 calls $0.02, MP3 checks, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, BB folds, MP1 calls $0.10, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.10

          Flop: ($0.40) 6 4 K (3 players)
          Hero bets $0.20, MP1 calls $0.20, MP3 folds

          Turn: ($0.80) 4 (2 players)
          Hero bets $0.40, MP1 calls $0.40

          River: ($1.60) 7 (2 players)
          Hero checks, MP1 checks

          Spoiler:


          Soul read
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          Old 08-07-2012, 01:23 AM   #103
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          13.74 bb/100 over 2k hands so far in August, pretty happy overall! BR is up above $75 for the first time in years...

          Hallelujah
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          Old 08-07-2012, 01:35 AM   #104
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          What line do you guys take? Feel I could have put in a raise on the flop but when I call flop I feel that raising on the turn exposes I have a decent full house there?
          Your main mistake is playing AT in the SB... realizing you'll be OOP for the rest of the hand... Bet sizing was good, I personally would have just completed the SB and seen what came on the flop...

          Flop wasn't too bad, however I think your flop and turn bet are pretty small, no? I try to stick with at least 3/4 pot bets. Not sure if that would have made a difference here, however.

          I don't see your FH thoughts on the turn, though... Nobody is going to assume you have a set of 6's or K's there.. really the 4 changes nothing for anybody and your bet is more of a "I still think I have the best hand" type of bet... Could have been a bit bigger, again...

          As played, look back and think wtf was he calling pre with 3's, and wtf was he calling the flop & turn with 3's... Find him and exploit him!
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          Old 08-07-2012, 02:32 AM   #105
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          fml found a table this morning with about 6 whales on.
          Two in particular playing 74/30/56 and 66/11/50.
          I got in pre ahead of their range lots of times.
          I got quite a lot of good hands, raised pre, got called EVERY time, no matter what they had.
          First one 3bet with KQo and called a 4bet with it (which was ATo ).
          Yet they kept catching! And just calling down and hitting.
          Luckily I almost doubled up on my first hand when they let me ride my big blind and I flopped 2 pair and one of them bet bet bet bluffed me.

          Unfortunately I lost most of it back. Iso raising they called with their trash - great! Except as below I have lost a significant pot every single time I have had QQ this month - I am 3BI down on the last 6 times I have had it.

          Anyway, I think I ruined this hand. Why didn't I value bet after one pplayer was all in?
          I think the AI made me think he had a huge hand and just wanted to check it down but forgot there was another fish involved who would call down with worse.
          Nothing would have saved the main pot but I could have built a side pot and come away with some winnings.
          Urgh.

          PartyGaming - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
          Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

          Hero (BB): $2.93
          UTG: $1.80
          UTG+1: $1.50
          MP: $0.36
          MP+1: $2.64
          CO: $0.76
          BTN: $4.63
          SB: $1.98

          SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

          Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has Q Q

          fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.08, MP+1 calls $0.06, CO calls $0.06

          Flop: ($0.25, 3 players) J 7 3
          Hero bets $0.12, MP+1 calls $0.12, CO raises to $0.68 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.56, MP+1 calls $0.56

          Turn: ($2.29, 3 players) 6
          Hero checks, MP+1 checks

          River: ($2.29, 3 players) 4
          Hero checks, MP+1 checks

          Spoiler:


          I gues the other reason I didn't value bet is another hand against the same guy I had bet bet bet with AQs on A53 high board and he had A5 and flopped 2 pair and just called me down.
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