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Old 08-03-2012, 05:09 AM   #61
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Re: August Beginners Bankroll Thread

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sick... A on the Flop, he raises/calls 3bet with QTo..all in on the turn... Sick... At least you did make some money
Yes, sometimes it seems unfair that play like that can take you to the final table. Was the first final table for me in a decent sized donkament at Stars (this had about 450 runners). At this point the pay jumps were already big enough to really matter and I did not expect to be the next one out when that flop was dealt. I was literally sitting there with my mouth open staring at the screen for several minutes after the river card. Probably the worst spot I've got sucked out on in my poker career so far.
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:28 AM   #62
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Spew or fine with read? villain was a fish but nittier than most fish. his range is soo obvious amirite?

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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CO: $10.83
BTN: $10.00
Hero (SB): $10.58
BB: $10.30
UTG: $13.74

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with K Q
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.70) 2 7 J (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.30) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.65, BB folds

Final Pot: $2.30
Hero mucks K Q
Hero wins $2.20
(Rake: $0.10)

Not my standard line obv but just saw the spot and couldnt resist
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:18 AM   #63
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July goals:
[x] play more hands
[x] analyze more hands

August goals:
[ ] play more hands
[ ] analyze more hands.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:18 AM   #64
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By the way Arty, definitely the funniest funny-hands EVAR.

PS. You short-stack now?
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:53 AM   #65
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Re: August Beginners Bankroll Thread

SB was shoving loads of hands, was a bit worried about the BB calling but thought what the hell, when he shoved the flop im like woooooo come to daddy then the cards just screw me over yet again.


PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $7.38
CO: $17.96
Hero (BTN): $6.13
SB: $1.95
BB: $6.92
UTG: $8.62

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, SB raises to $1.95 and is all-in, BB calls $1.90, Hero calls $1.80

Flop: ($5.85, 3 players) T 7 J
BB bets $4.97 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.18 and is all-in

Turn: ($14.21, 3 players) A

River: ($14.21, 3 players) 4

BB shows A A (Three of a Kind, Aces) (Pre 68%, Flop 10%, Turn 88%)
Hero shows J J (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 16%, Flop 76%, Turn 2%)
SB shows 9 T (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 16%, Flop 14%, Turn 10%)
BB wins $13.62
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:20 AM   #66
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was a bit worried about the BB calling but thought what the hell
This is where you lost the hand.

What range do you think BB is cold calling SB's shove with, with you still to play?

If you're really, really lucky and he is really, really bad he has AK. Everything else is beating you. You are effectively setmining for 39 big blinds, albeit you hit and BB re-coolered you
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:46 PM   #67
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July ended okay - back at zoom FR after finding the normal games a little slow and dull. However, my game has improved last month and Im hopefull I can finally kick on and win some moniezzz

Aug - all depends if my new place has internet from day one:

[ ] With some luck, I can get about 60k hands in (gold star)
[ ] Send DB off to Splitsuit for a review
[ ] Continue to watch poker videos and improve.
[ ] DONT TILT ALL MONTH - even when the bad run sets in.

The month has started off pretty solid with an approx 10-15bi upswing. Long may that continue, though, the latest session had a few naff coolers (set vs set, flush vs better flush, AA coolered by KJ which backdoored its way to a straight)
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:13 PM   #68
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By the way Arty, definitely the funniest funny-hands EVAR.
PS. You short-stack now?
I'm playing with 60bb while clearing a deposit bonus on 4-5 tables. Since I'm not very good at playing more than 3 tables, I like buying in short to make my decisions a lot easier. I'm just playing really nitty and pretty much fit-or-fold. It's relatively low variance.
When I'm not in a hurry to collect reward points, and I'm feeling more confident in my play, I buy in full and only play 2-3 tables.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:19 PM   #69
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Just shove pre with your stack
But here's the thing. If I shove, there is no skill involved. I make money by superior post-flop play. I make good reads and good folds when I'm behind. The regs and fish at 2NL make tons of errors post-flop. If I just call pre (instead of shoving) then I give them the opportunity to make those errors. Easy game.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:47 PM   #70
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What you're playing short so the skill edge your opponents can have when you make a big mistake is smaller and vice versa, your skill edge on your opponents is smaller since you can never get their full stack,

but then you're trying to play postflop with reduced SPR and reduced skill edges making your decisions easier?

That's a lot of conflicting ideas actually
And that superior post flop play, the AK hand

Why don't you raise at any point? He can have like 1 combo that beats you and yet you just flat, while he might easily have a hand like AQ or KK/QQ/JJ that wants to improve and you give him such good odds and almost a free showdown, why don't you take him to value town if he can't fold

On the turn you have 1.10$ and he's betting 0.20$ into a 0.67$ pot making it 0.87$, why don't you ship the turn? Why do you not ship the river where there's 1.07$ in the pot and you have <1$
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Old 08-03-2012, 04:43 PM   #71
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Whoops Today was a 3 buyin rollercoaster. ended breakeven soo meh, will just forget about today.

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Old 08-03-2012, 08:04 PM   #72
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What you're playing short so the skill edge your opponents can have when you make a big mistake is smaller and vice versa, your skill edge on your opponents is smaller since you can never get their full stack,
but then you're trying to play postflop with reduced SPR and reduced skill edges making your decisions easier?
That's a lot of conflicting ideas actually
True. The hands I posted weren't good examples. They were very weird in fact. On "normal" hands, I've usually got a simple plan, where I generally know what to do as soon as I see the flop. If I have a big hand, all the money is usually going in on the turn, so I never have to think "Oh no, the flush/straight draw got there on the river. What do I do now?"
The fish make the frequent mistake of calling turn overbets when they are on a draw, while I'm pretty good at laying down a hand when I know I don't have the implied odds.

But here's a hand where I really wish I'd had a 100bb stack:
Nit opens UTG and gets instantly 3-bet. I have aces. It's the dream situation. I decide to flat call, in the hope that UTG will spazz shove with JJ+ or AK, but sadly he folds.
    Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
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    BB: $2 (100 bb)
    UTG+1: $1.22 (61 bb)
    UTG+2: $2.09 (104.5 bb)
    MP1: $1.38 (69 bb)
    BTN: $2.43 (121.5 bb)
    Hero (MP3): $1.20 (60 bb)
    CO: $2 (100 bb)
    SB: $4.16 (208 bb)
    MP2: $2.39 (119.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A A
    UTG+1 raises to $0.08, UTG+2 raises to $0.28, 2 folds,
    Artysmokes says "Yum yum".
    Hero calls $0.28, 5 folds

    Flop: ($0.67) A J T (2 players)
    UTG+2 bets $0.42, Hero raises to $0.92, UTG+2 calls $0.50

    Turn: ($2.51) 9 (2 players)
    River: ($2.51) J (2 players)

    Spoiler:

    It turns out I only had 64% equity versus villain's royal flush draw, but I'm obviously always jamming when villain bets. If the flop had been KJT all hearts, I like to think I'd have folded, but I'm not really sure.
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    Old 08-03-2012, 08:48 PM   #73
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    Awesome day today - put in two sessions of cash and some SNGs - ran **** in the first cash session but hotter than the sun in the second and the SNGs (85% ROI in 6max hypers sustainable?). Graph for the month so far (misses 1 BI won at the end of July):

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    Old 08-03-2012, 08:54 PM   #74
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    decided to move from FR to 6-Max

    First 1.5k hands so far - hasn't gone too badly. Very very up and down at one point as i had a guy on the table willing to shove with anything

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    Old 08-04-2012, 10:05 AM   #75
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    Depositing 20 bucks to play for fun without any plans for building a roll or following BR management turned out to be quite profitable. Took 14th in the big 16.50 for about $150, roll after 5 MTTs at $250.

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