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04-06-2014 , 01:08 PM
Every time I win a pot of more than $100, I still get really jittery with excitement, so as you can imagine I almost pissed myself with this one:

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.15, PFR: 11.38, 3Bet Preflop: 1.50, Hands: 332)
SB: 295.44 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 16.87, 3Bet Preflop: 7.87, Hands: 249)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.82, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 57)
UTG: 176.12 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (MP): 215.2 BB
CO: 42.96 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 6

UTG raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 5 BB

Flop: (15.5 BB, 2 players) 5 A 8
UTG checks, Hero bets 8.14 BB, UTG calls 8.14 BB

Turn: (31.78 BB, 2 players) 4
UTG checks, Hero bets 20.62 BB, UTG calls 20.62 BB

River: (73.02 BB, 2 players) A
UTG bets 56 BB, Hero raises to 179.44 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 84.36 BB and is all-in

Spoiler:
Hero shows 7 6 (Straight, Eight High) (Pre 42%, Flop 34%, Turn 100%)
UTG shows K A (Three of a Kind, Aces) (Pre 58%, Flop 66%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 348.74 BB


Edit: I knew villain was a fish before the hand, hence the 3bet.
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04-06-2014 , 01:35 PM
flat pre. 76s is great for a flat and we can 3bet hands like J7s,K8s, Q8s that we can't flat. 3betting obv +EV but flatting is higher EV, especially vs a min raise.

but nice pot all the same
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04-06-2014 , 01:46 PM
Eh, I 3bet everything I continue in that spot vs fish because I think you're going to get squeezed too often if you don't.
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04-06-2014 , 01:52 PM
You are completely protected by the fish. People have to have a value hand to 3bet and you can back call most squeezes when the fish calls because your so deep. Also people aren't going to be 3betting with wide enough for value in that spot.
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04-06-2014 , 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
4/5 BR-$982+$85 RB = $1067

Well recovery basically entirely made from my 50nl shot. Going to try and bink the $88,888 freeroll tonight and continue my grind at 20nl for a little while. I can't play 50nl without a much bigger role I think. The jump in stakes just makes it much harder to detach from the money. Played about 2 hours yesterday which isn't ideal but is a solid session. I still aim to get to 4 hours 5 days a week.
I've played through 20nl on 888 and currently settling at 50nl so if I can help or you've got any questions then let me know.

Try 30nl maybe? It's pretty aggro, but will get you used to the higher aggression at 50nl but without the big BI jump
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04-06-2014 , 02:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunna100
I've played through 20nl on 888 and currently settling at 50nl so if I can help or you've got any questions then let me know.

Try 30nl maybe? It's pretty aggro, but will get you used to the higher aggression at 50nl but without the big BI jump
How did you find 20nl on 888? I'm currently shot taking the same limit on the same site.

Didn't find 10nl to be much of a problem but meh, there's gotta be a point where these 60/2 fish dry up.
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04-06-2014 , 02:25 PM
I play on 888 NJ. There is no 30nl =\. It goes 10/20/50. Luckily 20nl is super soft so grinding up to a respectable 50NL roll shouldn't be too hard.
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04-06-2014 , 04:31 PM
@ Blane, fair enough, but good luck anyway

@ RoyalFlush, found 20nl pretty easy tbh. Loads of fish (there still is at 50nl too), and having come from 25nlz it was just pretty easy tbh playing simple poker.
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04-06-2014 , 04:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunna100
@ Blane, fair enough, but good luck anyway

@ RoyalFlush, found 20nl pretty easy tbh. Loads of fish (there still is at 50nl too), and having come from 25nlz it was just pretty easy tbh playing simple poker.
Kinda makes me wonder why the Stars regs don't move over to 888.

Then again I suppose the rake is absolutely ridiculous. Paid 2x my winnings in rake at 10nl.

Where's the point you need to start table selecting? Like at 10nl I can just load up 6 random tables and you're pretty much guaranteed at least 1 fish on each table. I've been actually table selecting at 20nl while shot taking but might just start trying to join random tables since I'll need to at least match the regs at this limit before moving to the ultimate goal of 50nl.
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04-06-2014 , 04:44 PM
Table select a bit at 20nl, then play 30nl. 50nl is pretty aggro so gotta be ready for that
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04-06-2014 , 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunna100
Table select a bit at 20nl, then play 30nl. 50nl is pretty aggro so gotta be ready for that
Will definitely need to work on my 3betting game before moving to 50nl then! 4.5% 3bet...and for some reason even when I approach a session thinking I'm going to 3bet more it just never happens...I rationalise myself out of making a 3bet because of stuff like 'well, over my two 3bet hand sample, he didn't fold to either one'.

I suppose it's easy to do that because tbh to beat up to 10nl (at least) on 888 you can get away with just 3betting for mainly value. Looks like 50nl separates the men from the boys though so I'd best do some work on my game.
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04-06-2014 , 05:21 PM
Is our line here good? Should I flat his flop minraise since we have SDV, or look to GII because we've almost certainly got more equity than him (flush draw, gutshot, plus can make trips or two pair and even have one out to a straight flush).

If turn doesn't bring one of our outs, we're still calling the shove, yeah?

BB: 48 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: 103.6 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 5)
MP: 103.1 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
CO: 110.2 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 41 BB (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 60.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 7 8 J
BB checks, Hero bets 4.8 BB, BB raises to 9.6 BB, Hero raises to 27.6 BB, BB calls 18 BB

Turn: (61.7 BB, 2 players) A
BB bets 17.4 BB, Hero calls 17.4 BB

River: (96.5 BB, 2 players) 3
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04-06-2014 , 06:03 PM
Yea call flop raise
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04-06-2014 , 06:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle

@bex989, what's your sample? If it's small, cbet, if it's big, what's his 'bet vs missed cbet'?
300+ hands, which I think is decent considering it's from MTTSNG.

Anyway, those paired boards are starting to be tricky, let's say that the board is 994, there's a bunch of players that would stack off with 55-JJ, some even with AT+, or call with Tx, Jx, Qx, Kx, Ax (fish). Now that I think about it I think that cbetting is better.
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04-06-2014 , 06:36 PM
300 hand sample is pretty meaningless for a lot of stats and I imagine bet vs missed cbet is one of them.
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04-06-2014 , 06:42 PM
ok
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04-06-2014 , 07:56 PM
Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $2.67 - VPIP: 7, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 119
SB: $2.96 - VPIP: 9, PFR: 7, 3B: 3, AF: 2,3, Hands: 396
BB: $1.29 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 12
UTG: $1.97 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 2,1, Hands: 93
Hero (UTG+1): $2.86
UTG+2: $6.49 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 2,0, Hands: 124
MP1: $3.24 - VPIP: 8, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 97
MP2: $3.59 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 1,3, Hands: 58
CO: $2.73 - VPIP: 5, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 1,0, Hands: 99

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG+1 with Q Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.21, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.45) 4 Q 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.32, Hero calls $0.32

Turn: ($1.09) J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.79, Hero calls $0.79

River: ($2.67) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.54, MP2 calls $1.54

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $5.75
Hero shows Qd Qc
MP2 shows Ah As
Hero wins $5.55
(Rake: $0.20)


Vill is 20/14 and 3bet: 4,3 over 60 hands.
Pre is fine right? Not enough odds to setmine, but QQ has some value by it's own.


Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $1.97
SB: $3.46
BB: $1.13
UTG: $4.19
Hero (UTG+1): $5.66
UTG+2: $1.15
MP1: $2.10
MP2: $4.92
CO: $1.83

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG+1 with A Q
UTG calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.06, 6 folds, BB calls $0.04, UTG raises to $0.10, Hero calls $0.04, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.31) A 3 4 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, BB folds

Turn: ($0.91) J (2 players)
UTG bets $0.88, Hero calls $0.88

River: ($2.67) 4 (2 players)
UTG bets $1.28, Hero calls $1.28

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $5.23
UTG shows Ac 2c (two pair, Aces and Fours)
Hero shows Ad Qc (two pair, Aces and Fours - Queen kicker)
Hero wins $5.05
(Rake: $0.18)


SB is 17/4 over 25 hands.
No reads on BB, except that he is Russian and probably a fish.

Can I 4bet pre here? I'm probably ahead both ranges. Calling it down against a fish is fine right? If he shows up with AK/Two Pair/Set just shrug it off.

Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $2.28
SB: $2.00 - VPIP: 7, PFR: 7, 3B: 14, AF: 1,0, Hands: 15
BB: $2.64 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 10, 3B: 11, AF: 0,0, Hands: 30
UTG: $1.65 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 1,3, Hands: 115
UTG+1: $3.10 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 10
UTG+2: $2.17 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 0,0, Hands: 40
MP1: $2.04 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 1,3, Hands: 61
MP2: $3.85 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 24, 3B: 6, AF: 3,5, Hands: 51
CO: $1.22 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 9, 3B: 2, AF: 1,5, Hands: 220

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with K K
6 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, SB raises to $0.10, BB calls $0.08, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.20, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) Q 2 6 (3 players)
SB bets $0.86, BB folds, Hero raises to $1.98, SB calls $0.84 all in

Turn: ($4.30) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($4.30) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $4.30
Hero shows Kc Ks
SB shows Js Jc
Hero wins $4.15
(Rake: $0.15)


Is stacking off fine? Am I too nitty for just think I might just b/c the flop? I don't see many combos he can be stacking off {AQ,AA,QQ,KK).

Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $3.68 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: 2,0, Hands: 60
SB: $0.99 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 3
Hero (BB): $2.00
UTG: $3.23 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 1,1, Hands: 190
UTG+1: $0.49 - VPIP: 6, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 1,0, Hands: 266
UTG+2: $1.34 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 46
MP1: $3.18 - VPIP: 7, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 119
MP2: $2.14 - VPIP: 10, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 3,5, Hands: 67
CO: $2.22 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 8

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with A Q
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0.02, 5 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, UTG calls $0.08, UTG+2 calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.31) T 2 Q (3 players)
Hero bets $0.26, UTG calls $0.26, UTG+2 folds

Turn: ($0.83) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, UTG raises to $2.60, Hero calls $1.04 all in

River: ($4.11) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $4.11
Hero shows Ac Qc
UTG shows 2h 2d
UTG wins $3.97
(Rake: $0.14)



Vill is a bad reg (if I'm in any position to call anyone bad).
25/4 AF:1.1 3bet:0 over 190 hands (notes I had on him didn't help me much, Notecaddy tells me open limps EP PP/Suited broadways/+J8s/+K2s/etc).
Fold turn? Against a fish are you going for 3 streets of value?

Last edited by thoughtsymmetry; 04-06-2014 at 08:22 PM.
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04-06-2014 , 08:39 PM
H1: XJ riv
h2: larger pre fold riv
h3: fine, you could also call flop but no difference really
h4: Prob b/f slightly smaller. can't really fold now tho, If he didn't raise easy ship OT unimproved
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04-06-2014 , 08:42 PM
why larger pre on h2?

I open raise every hand 3xbb from any position. Should I adjust bet sizing according to strength/position?
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04-06-2014 , 10:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thoughtsymmetry
why larger pre on h2?

I open raise every hand 3xbb from any position. Should I adjust bet sizing according to strength/position?
You want to isolate the limper. And of course you maximize the EV of every spot by adjusting your bet sizing. Sometimes i'm lazy and i don't bet 4bb vs 80% vpip whales, since 3x is my standard. Could open up to 6bb and get calls you know Same guys who cold call 3-bets.
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04-06-2014 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Royalflush15
Kinda makes me wonder why the Stars regs don't move over to 888.

Then again I suppose the rake is absolutely ridiculous. Paid 2x my winnings in rake at 10nl.

Where's the point you need to start table selecting? Like at 10nl I can just load up 6 random tables and you're pretty much guaranteed at least 1 fish on each table. I've been actually table selecting at 20nl while shot taking but might just start trying to join random tables since I'll need to at least match the regs at this limit before moving to the ultimate goal of 50nl.
I table select constantly, prefer to have at least one fish at +1 position from me. Meaning "me - reg -fish". Has to be a whale if there's "Me - reg - reg - fish". I don't play on reg only tables.
There's the classical argument of "you can't work on your game if you just table select". This might be true for the bumhunters in higher stakes who only play vs fish. But i.e yesterday i had some crazy 3-bettor on my left while i had position on a fish. So i'm able to work on my game vs aggrotards while playing the fish.
And choosing the best site is important, but not totally necessary. I've heard that 888 has unfair currency exchange system. VIP system shouldn't be that valuable, therefore the true value of playing on that site relies on first deposit bonus. imo. That's why i haven't made an account there yet, waiting until i can crush 20nl and then i grind the full FDB. About 666$/month in rake IIRC.
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04-06-2014 , 10:34 PM
And this is why you table select. Might be my most profitable day in poker.

Few hands:
h1: I think i'm calling some other spade cards. 9 is bad since it completes 78 also. Or should i call with top set? He had 2/2 limp so i think he's a fish.

Microgaming - €0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €19.76 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (BB): €42.71
BTN: €21.50 (VPIP: 21.63, PFR: 16.29, 3Bet Preflop: 7.09, Hands: 363)

SB posts SB €0.10, Hero posts BB €0.20

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.30) Hero has K K

fold, SB calls €0.10, Hero raises to €0.80, SB calls €0.60

Flop: (€1.60, 2 players) 6 2 5
SB checks, Hero bets €1.50, SB calls €1.50

Turn: (€4.60, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero bets €3.50, SB calls €3.50

River: (€11.60, 2 players) 9
SB bets €5.80, fold

h2: The guy was fairly aggro cbet flop 81% & turn 67%. But eh what i have is a bluff catcher.

Microgaming - €0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: €44.58 (VPIP: 31.17, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 8.20, Hands: 162)
SB: €23.09 (VPIP: 47.73, PFR: 2.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 48)
Hero (BB): €20.00

SB posts SB €0.10, Hero posts BB €0.20

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.30) Hero has K J

BTN raises to €0.60, fold, Hero calls €0.40

Flop: (€1.30, 2 players) 2 K 7
Hero checks, BTN bets €0.60, Hero calls €0.60

Turn: (€2.50, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN bets €1.60, Hero calls €1.60

River: (€5.70, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN bets €5.00, fold

h3: Fine to call? I think his range is pretty strong after he 4x, so wasn't sure about the 3b size.

Microgaming - €0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: €49.85 (VPIP: 32.35, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 7.81, Hands: 178)
MP: €8.95 (VPIP: 53.33, PFR: 3.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 64)
Hero (CO): €26.78
BTN: €28.08 (VPIP: 22.81, PFR: 12.28, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 58)
SB: €20.00 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BB: €16.63 (VPIP: 82.35, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 34)

SB posts SB €0.10, BB posts BB €0.20

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.30) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to €0.80, MP calls €0.80, Hero raises to €2.50, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls €1.70, MP calls €1.70

Flop: (€7.80, 3 players) 2 7 9
UTG checks, MP bets €6.45 and is all-in, Hero calls €6.45, UTG raises to €47.35 and is all-in, Hero calls €17.83 and is all-in

h4: ok to bet for thin value?

Microgaming - €0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: €30.46 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (SB): €20.00
BB: €19.59 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
UTG: €5.73 (VPIP: 47.62, PFR: 24.49, 3Bet Preflop: 4.69, Hands: 154)
CO: €20.26 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)

Hero posts SB €0.10, BB posts BB €0.20

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.30) Hero has Q A

fold, fold, BTN raises to €0.60, Hero raises to €1.80, fold, BTN calls €1.20

Flop: (€3.80, 2 players) J T 3
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (€3.80, 2 players) A
Hero bets €2.00, BTN calls €2.00

River: (€7.80, 2 players) Q
Hero bets €2.00,
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04-07-2014 , 04:14 AM
I hate those boards so bad! I don't know how to react. Does anybody have any special thoughts about that hand?


Villain is 58/4 over 50 hands
    Party, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #25609651

    BTN: $2.02 (50.5 bb)
    MP: $1.40 (35 bb)
    BB: $1.67 (41.8 bb)
    CO: $4.82 (120.5 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $5.02 (125.5 bb)
    SB: $1.76 (44 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with K T
    Hero raises to $0.12, MP folds, CO calls $0.12, 3 folds

    Flop: ($0.30) 9 K T (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.21, CO calls $0.21

    Turn: ($0.72) J (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO checks

    River: ($0.72) J (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $0.29

    Spoiler:
    Results: $0.72 pot
    Final Board: 9 K T J J
    CO mucked and lost (-$0.62 net)
    Hero mucked K T and lost (-$0.33 net)



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    04-07-2014 , 05:38 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by thoughtsymmetry
    I open raise every hand 3xbb from any position. Should I adjust bet sizing according to strength/position?
    you aren't open raising, you are isolating. Go 3x +1x for every limper IP and 3.5x+1x OOP. That should basically be the minimum. GO larger if you have a strong hand and he will still call.
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    04-07-2014 , 05:47 AM
    Yes, didn't noticed that UTG+1 limped (and might haven't noticed him in the table too, since I usually adapt for limpers). In that case I'd be raising 4xBB. Thanks.

    Last edited by thoughtsymmetry; 04-07-2014 at 06:00 AM.
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