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Old 06-04-2012, 07:26 PM   #1
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AKo vs. limper

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    Cake Poker, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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    SB: $1.96 (49 bb)
    BB: $4.47 (111.7 bb)
    MP: $1.37 (34.3 bb)
    Hero (CO): $3.38 (84.5 bb)
    BTN: $2.65 (66.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A K
    MP calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.12, 3 folds, MP calls $0.08

    Flop: ($0.30) 2 Q 8 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $0.20, MP calls $0.20

    Turn: ($0.70) K (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $0.47, MP calls $0.47

    River: ($1.64) 6 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $1.10, MP calls $0.58 and is all-in

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    My gut told me to check the river but my brain said value for the rest of his stack [Qx] . I hung myself here.

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    Old 06-04-2012, 07:43 PM   #2
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    Re: AKo vs. limper

    I think the all in on the river wasn't a bad move.
    Great check by him on the river, you were never getting away after the King, really.

    EDIT : The pre-flop call could have hinted at set of 8s or 2s I guess but when he gives you the agg and you hit then i think it's hard to get away from. (Maybe carried away with the shove on the river?- But he would have come over the top had you made it any smaller and you would've called anything I think)
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    Old 06-04-2012, 07:49 PM   #3
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    Re: AKo vs. limper

    Post in Micro NL forum next time.
    Also, I think you played it very well.
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    Old 06-04-2012, 07:50 PM   #4
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    Re: AKo vs. limper

    You played this hand perfectly.

    I might have raised to .16 pre-flop. Other than that I do exactly the same and I don't think it is at all close.
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    Old 06-04-2012, 09:28 PM   #5
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    Re: AKo vs. limper

    This is fine, you miss lots of value by checking the river against this kind of player. Sub-40bb 4NL limp-callers are terrible passive fish. TPTK is the nuts against these guys, you should absolutely play to get them all in.

    This kind of fish is perfectly capable of taking exactly this line with ATo or 33, let alone Qx which they are never folding.

    The only things I would do different is raise 16c pre and maybe make it slightly more OTT.
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    Old 06-04-2012, 11:51 PM   #6
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    Re: AKo vs. limper

    Grunch, didn't read results.

    IMO don't show results, it'll skew your replies toward the result-oriented.

    Well played. Passive players are passive, value bet them all day long.
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    Old 06-04-2012, 11:56 PM   #7
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    Re: AKo vs. limper

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    You played this hand perfectly.

    I might have raised to .16 pre-flop. Other than that I do exactly the same and I don't think it is at all close.
    Yep, NH

    Pre flop I generally raise 3x plus 1 for every limper. So my raise would have been to .16
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    Old 06-05-2012, 12:29 AM   #8
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    Re: AKo vs. limper

    Yeah, I'm never checking that river ever against this player and don't see anything wrong on any street from you. Yeah we can quibble about the raise size but overall it doesn't make much difference (though I guess deeper it might as you can start to take away set-mining odds with larger/more correct pfr).

    I guess the only question we have here is whether villain is calling off their stack on the river with worse and I'm not sure they ever do with this line...now I'm starting to wonder if a bet that puts villain ai on the river is ever a smart bet when a hand is played this way.
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    Old 06-05-2012, 08:15 AM   #9
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    Re: AKo vs. limper

    I feel as though as these lower limits they will call 4x/5x pre.

    So could have been 0.16-0.20 pre like said above,
    Flop -c/bet fine,
    Turn - fine,
    River, he's only got 0.58 left so your calling anyway if you check.

    But when he calls river, he will hardly ever be calling behind.

    If we want to get nitty, we could c/f river,
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    Old 06-05-2012, 08:37 AM   #10
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    Re: AKo vs. limper

    I wouldve probably check folded river and bet less on turn
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    Old 06-05-2012, 10:27 AM   #11
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    Re: AKo vs. limper

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    I feel as though as these lower limits they will call 4x/5x pre.

    So could have been 0.16-0.20 pre like said above,
    Flop -c/bet fine,
    Turn - fine,
    River, he's only got 0.58 left so your calling anyway if you check.

    But when he calls river, he will hardly ever be calling behind.

    If we want to get nitty, we could c/f river,
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    I wouldve probably check folded river and bet less on turn
    He's calling on that river behind a lot, especially with a shove being about 58 cents into a $1.68 pot. Check/folding is ridiculous. It's an clear shove.
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    Old 06-05-2012, 11:01 AM   #12
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    Re: AKo vs. limper

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    He's calling on that river behind a lot, especially with a shove being about 58 cents into a $1.68 pot. Check/folding is ridiculous. It's an clear shove.
    Ch/F is impossible anyway.... You either check back or shove - and shoving is more than fine imo.

    I maybe tempted to check the flop back - Opponent looks very stationy (lol sample size I know) and is a shorty... Im not convinced we get much to fold this flop and barreling makes no sense (Once he calls the flop, hes going with his hand very often) - But not a massive issue since were effectivly readless and I dont see an issue with crediting this guy with the ability to fold a bottom/3rd pair here (and theres enough of them)

    Once we hit OTT, were more than happy stacking given the stack sizes and the overwhelming likelyhood this guy has something weak but will go with it.
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    Old 06-05-2012, 11:10 AM   #13
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    Re: AKo vs. limper

    wp
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    Old 06-05-2012, 11:17 AM   #14
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    Re: AKo vs. limper

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    Villain is unknown but was 30/0 through 28 hands




      Cake Poker, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13067381

      SB: $1.96 (49 bb)
      BB: $4.47 (111.7 bb)
      MP: $1.37 (34.3 bb)
      Hero (CO): $3.38 (84.5 bb)
      BTN: $2.65 (66.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A K
      MP calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.12, 3 folds, MP calls $0.08

      Flop: ($0.30) 2 Q 8 (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $0.20, MP calls $0.20

      Turn: ($0.70) K (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $0.47, MP calls $0.47

      River: ($1.64) 6 (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $1.10, MP calls $0.58 and is all-in

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      My gut told me to check the river but my brain said value for the rest of his stack [Qx] . I hung myself here.
      Wow everything is wrong
      -preflop bet is way to low, do something like 1.30-1.33 come'on you have AKo it doesn't play postflop well at all
      -flop OMG wow such an easy check this guy is obviously a call station and your always getting called and you will be so worried on the turn if none of your cards hit.
      -turn ok now you bet? maaan you just hit your K it's definate time to slow play I know he said he was obv a call station but sometimes call stations bet too!
      -river id put a small blocker bet and fold to a raise here cause he obv has 88 and bets from call stations should be treated as folds. TPTK isn't even that strong anyways.

      Lol all my friends at zynga would be laughing at how disgustingly you played your hand.

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      Old 06-05-2012, 11:30 AM   #15
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      Re: AKo vs. limper

      I am tempted to remove the spoiler and then ban you for trolling, PP

      played well, OP. I would bet just a tad more PF.
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