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05-11-2008 , 08:25 AM

Gazzab28

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 125

I have been trying to tighten up my 6 max game over the last few days. Looking at my stats i have noticed of the 777 hands i have been delt i have only open limped for 10 of them. I know the phrase pump em or dump them but do i need to be open limping a bit more to mix my game up and maybe get better value from bigger hands. My stats of these are 27.78/14.50/3.87 how does this sound?

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05-11-2008 , 09:03 AM

sharpyetblunt

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,610

what hands are you open limping? you shouldnt really be open limping anything. I assume you play at low stakes, so there is no real need to mix up your game, just play standard ABC poker. If your stats are 27/14 then you need to be folding more of your marginal hands. You'll just be losing too much money when you miss flops and have to fold to continuation bets.

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05-11-2008 , 09:10 AM

bobboufl11

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Almost never limp. Either raise or set mine. I also like to call with sooted connectors some of the time if the implied odds could be there. 3.87 is pretty good though. I'm at 21/16/7 and still probably should be calling less.

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05-11-2008 , 10:30 AM

MAC-N-TODD

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yea, what sharpy said. there really isn't a big need to mix up your game at that level of play. open limping is almost never a good play.

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05-11-2008 , 02:38 PM

Blue_Devil03

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what exactly is set mining? and isn't open limping the same as calling?

Nova

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05-11-2008 , 03:12 PM

mi$ter ILL

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i'm confused as well; i thought low pp's were advisable to limp on in early position...

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05-11-2008 , 03:14 PM

JRteddy

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Set mining = limping with small pocket pairs then check-folding the flop if you don't hit a set.

Open limping is when you are the first to limp in.

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05-11-2008 , 04:23 PM

sharpyetblunt

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Originally Posted by mi$ter ILL

i'm confused as well; i thought low pp's were advisable to limp on in early position...

If youre playing 6max its better to raise. By raising you give yourself the opportunity to take down the pot with a continuation bet even when you miss the flop. It also builds the pot for when you do hit a set. The last thing you want to be doing is playing a small pot when you flop a set.

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05-11-2008 , 04:33 PM

Gonzirra

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Originally Posted by mi$ter ILL

i'm confused as well; i thought low pp's were advisable to limp on in early position...

The way the online HU and 6-max games play, you usually raise if you're first in. It's not necessarily like that in full ring. Plus there are a number of live pros that will limp in situations where most online players would almost certainly raise.

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05-11-2008 , 05:22 PM

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Lego05

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Never ever open limp in 6 max.

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05-11-2008 , 05:42 PM

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pairtheboard69

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i dont think its all bad to limp a low pp in early position. its better than folding...

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05-11-2008 , 07:54 PM

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Lateksi

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Originally Posted by sharpyetblunt

another important point to consider is that limping and then calling a raise pre-flop makes your hand pretty transparent; anyone with a little bit of hand reading skill is going to put you on a smallish pocket pair, and if you show any decent amount of interest in the pot post-flop they're not going to pay you off... unless they have you crushed.

sure, you could widen your open-limping range to "mix up your play", but it's probably a smarter move to just raise those pocket pairs - i think someone might have once told me that aggression is not necessarily a bad thing in poker

Last edited by Lateksi; 05-11-2008 at 08:00 PM.

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05-11-2008 , 10:01 PM

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Curlee1987

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[QUOTE}Never ever open limp in 6 max.[/QUOTE]

+!- plus id go as far to say never ever open limp in full ring, its so weak.

i only really got this point sicne i started reading 2 + 2 but since ive implemented it it has improved my game, hugely, and im still nowhere near as aggressive as i want to be. when i see ppl open limpin now, it kills me to think that i once used to do that, its so bad!

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05-11-2008 , 10:18 PM

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gumbercules

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I tend to limp with suited aces, higher SCs and small pocket pairs if I don't think it will be raised behind me. If I miss the flop I check/fold.

However, if the pot is unopened, I raise.

Can someone tell me if this is a decent strategy? What can I change?

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05-11-2008 , 10:51 PM

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Gazzab28

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 125

Only after reading an article on here did i realise that this was a pretty big leak in my game. I was open limping a hell of a lot and will be stopping it totally.

I also am in agreement about pocket pairs raising gives u a chance to take down the pot, the chance to cont bet the flop if called which is very profitable and the chance to win a bigger pot when you hit.

I have just reviewed my sessions for the past few days to see where i open limped from and i felt like slapping myself when i saw it was the button.

Stopping this has made a big improvement so far, but still alot of work to do.

Thanks everyone for your views im learning alot

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05-11-2008 , 11:06 PM

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Poker Clif

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Originally Posted by Lego05

Never ever open limp in 6 max.

I don't play 6-max, but I would say almost never would be better. Especially in the micros, a table can suprise you. On the same day recently I played two different SNG at the same $$ level:

1. A bunch of maniacs, betting, raising, and reraising with nothing. I was getting horrible cards, stayed out of the way, and made it to the money seeing 6 of 73 flops.

2. A limpfest with very few preflop raises or folds in the first two levels. With 22 I limped preflop UTG and got five callers.

In a scenario like that, it would be criminal not to limp with any decent speculative hand.

Last edited by Poker Clif; 05-11-2008 at 11:07 PM. Reason: spelling

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