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03-01-2015 , 08:49 PM
Bovada NL 10.

Hero, UTG+4: $10.00 AA
BB: $8.32

UTG: folds
UTG+1: folds
UTG+2: folds
UTG+3: folds
Hero: Raises $.46
Dealer: folds
SB: folds
BB: calls .46


Flop: 86Q

BB: checks
Hero: bets .97
BB raises to $3.88
hero:?

I kind of feel bad for folding here but without any reads on villain I guess you just fold?

Last edited by jack4you; 03-01-2015 at 09:02 PM.
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03-01-2015 , 08:55 PM
Stack sizes?
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03-01-2015 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Dwimmerlaike
Stack sizes?

Hero: $10
BB: $8.32

Also if you have any advice on how I played pre flop I would take it into consideration.
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03-01-2015 , 09:10 PM
if a player is sitting with $8.32 at a 10nl game 95% chance that he's a fish. I can see fish doing this with qx or agro fish with a draw or drunk spewtard fish with air. I'd call and ship turn.
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03-01-2015 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Play4Keeps
if a player is sitting with $8.32 at a 10nl game 95% chance that he's a fish. I can see fish doing this with qx or agro fish with a draw or drunk spewtard fish with air. I'd call and ship turn.
What if you call and he ships the turn?
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03-01-2015 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jack4you
What if you call and he ships the turn?
like I said I'd ship it
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03-02-2015 , 09:41 AM
I prob bet less on the flop. Around 70c

Agree with Play4keeps. Villain is probably a fish. Jamming over the raise is fine as hes going to show Qx a lot. Can't seem him folding with half his stack in the middle.
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03-02-2015 , 02:31 PM
Don't open for .46, your playing your cards face up. He should call you with a pretty wide range just to crack your nutted range and most likely get paid off when he hits.

Or bluff you off your hand, since you're playing scared poker.

By opening .46, you literally wrote in chat "I have AA-KK-AK and really don't feel like getting stacked by suited connectors, so please don't call with those. Thank you."

Of course, that has the complete opposite effect of what you are trying to avoid.
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03-02-2015 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Demcards
Don't open for .46, your playing your cards face up. He should call you with a pretty wide range just to crack your nutted range and most likely get paid off when he hits.

Or bluff you off your hand, since you're playing scared poker.

By opening .46, you literally wrote in chat "I have AA-KK-AK and really don't feel like getting stacked by suited connectors, so please don't call with those. Thank you."

Of course, that has the complete opposite effect of what you are trying to avoid.
Now you're making assumptions. I'm not certain scared poker is always a bad thing. When he massively re raised me like this I pretty much put him on a set or 2 pair, that said I did not want to believe my aces had been cracked again so I put all my money in and sure enough he had flopped a set. Now, you are suggesting betting less before the flop which might lead him to being more passive when he hit his set? What should I open with then? Should I make my standard raise 35 or 40? I usally bet 42,or 44 cents with almost every hand I open up with. I'm fine when I have aj on the button and I get all the blinds.

Last edited by jack4you; 03-02-2015 at 07:01 PM.
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03-02-2015 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by five5diamonds
bbs==,10s sbs =,05s ???



=== ,15s ???
head over to BBV , your replies will get more respect.
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03-02-2015 , 10:05 PM
Think he's asking if the bb = 10c and sb = 5c

Think he's Spanish based on his posting history.
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03-02-2015 , 11:43 PM
Without a read, I don't mind a fold. Villain can't have the NFD, so he probably has a made hand, but we just don't know if it's a set, Qx or something silly like 99. You're probably worse than flipping against a typical player, so might be better off folding now and looking for a clearer spot.
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03-04-2015 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jack4you
Now you're making assumptions. I'm not certain scared poker is always a bad thing. When he massively re raised me like this I pretty much put him on a set or 2 pair, that said I did not want to believe my aces had been cracked again so I put all my money in and sure enough he had flopped a set. Now, you are suggesting betting less before the flop which might lead him to being more passive when he hit his set? What should I open with then? Should I make my standard raise 35 or 40? I usally bet 42,or 44 cents with almost every hand I open up with. I'm fine when I have aj on the button and I get all the blinds.
"Scared" poker is always a bad thing. If you fear making the correct play because of past experiences, than you are hurting yourself.

By betting the way you are, you are allowing villain to play correctly against you.

1) you: bet .46
2)Villain: hey, I'll call with any two, If I hit, I've got his stack, if not, I fold.

In the long run, you are winning small pots on the flop, and losing your stack when he hits.

Think about it. That's just completely backwards of how you want it.

And why are you opening to 4bb + on every hand? You are missing value on weaker cards who you could get a few streets of value from.

You do not want him to be more passive when he hits a set or anything. That's beyond the point. You're looking for him to be betting or calling when he hits top pair, middle pair, has a flush draw, a straight draw, etc...

Why would he bet those hands when he knows you have a stronger holding?
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03-04-2015 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Play4Keeps
if a player is sitting with $8.32 at a 10nl game 95% chance that he's a fish.
How can you make assumptions like that? If someone buys in for $8.32 i would assume they are a fish but that's not what you said.

OP i would 4 bet shove, but i would've bet 0.30 preflop and half pot on flop

Last edited by ChippuhTss; 03-04-2015 at 03:16 PM.
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03-04-2015 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Play4Keeps
if a player is sitting with $8.32 at a 10nl game 95% chance that he's a fish.
The way top-ups work on Bovada, I'm not comfortable making this assertion. There is no auto top-up. If there's any chance I might lose the hand, I attempt to top-up after the last of my money has gone in, but sometimes the client doesn't respond fast enough. I've experienced the insult + injury of losing 80% of my stack on one hand, not being able to top up in time, and being dealt AA the next hand.
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03-04-2015 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Freewill2112
The way top-ups work on Bovada, I'm not comfortable making this assertion. There is no auto top-up. If there's any chance I might lose the hand, I attempt to top-up after the last of my money has gone in, but sometimes the client doesn't respond fast enough. I've experienced the insult + injury of losing 80% of my stack on one hand, not being able to top up in time, and being dealt AA the next hand.
Happened to me, got .38 cents left and got dealt KK.

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Originally Posted by Demcards
"Scared" poker is always a bad thing. If you fear making the correct play because of past experiences, than you are hurting yourself.

By betting the way you are, you are allowing villain to play correctly against you.

1) you: bet .46
2)Villain: hey, I'll call with any two, If I hit, I've got his stack, if not, I fold.

In the long run, you are winning small pots on the flop, and losing your stack when he hits.

Think about it. That's just completely backwards of how you want it.

And why are you opening to 4bb + on every hand? You are missing value on weaker cards who you could get a few streets of value from.

You do not want him to be more passive when he hits a set or anything. That's beyond the point. You're looking for him to be betting or calling when he hits top pair, middle pair, has a flush draw, a straight draw, etc...

Why would he bet those hands when he knows you have a stronger holding?
When I said scared I don't mean scared of making a right play but concerned that when people bet like they have more than a pair that they really have it. Of course if they do calling/raising is not a good play unless you have the pot odds.

Last edited by jack4you; 03-04-2015 at 07:48 PM.
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