Is 5nl online tougher than 2/5 live? I'm saving up $15,000 to play 2/5 live. should i play 5nl online in the mean time to get better?

5nl meaning 0.02/0.05 with a $5 buyin and 2/5 live meaning $2/$5 with a $500 buyin.

5nl 6 max is full of grinders, ive quit cash games now grinding micro mtt cause it's just hard to beat without HUD

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10nl/25nl is about the skill level

live varies alot depending on where you are its hard to say really

5 NL is harder than 2/5 live but there's a catch. The biggest skill that you need in order to beat live is the ability to adapt to changing table dynamics. Online, for the most part, has players all playing with a similar logic. Live is not like this. The lines players take will vary widely and have different meanings. From that perspective it can be more challenging than online.

Just play 1/2 during your transition. Play 2/5 on weekends. Weekends are softer than weekdays.

Indeed and your right in part. But there is a much bigger catch.

5nl means putting $5 on the line while staring at a computer screen. 2/5 live means putting $500 on the line while staring at a person.

If you really want to know what its like, there are pgcs of people doing this sort of conversion right now.

so live is a totally different game?

Hope I'm not being out of line but shouldn't you really know enough about poker to not have to ask this question if you are going to put $15k down? Particularly when you are having to save it.

yes

like I said, go read the pgc's of people doing it and see it for yourself.

Good point.
If I was on the way to a 15k bankroll for live games, I'd at least want to stay in practice by donking around in some online microstakes. I've never played live cash, but I'd assume that 5NL online is at least as hard to beat as 2/5 live. Everyone tells me that 1/2 and 2/5 live tables are just full of nits and whales, just like online micros.

I am not saying its rocket science. But if it were ez - every one would be doing it. For what its worth, very very few that attempt to play for a living as their sole source of income live actually survive more than a couple of years.

Wait you're saving up $15k to play in a game you have never played before?

It is the same game, you just have to use different skills to play them. By far the biggest impact is the lack of a reliable method of recording the history of the action. On line, you have a record of every hand by everyone playing. You have precise statistics of their tendencies. You know exactly what is bet and the size of the pot. Live, you get none of this. In fact, even if you ask the dealer what the size of the pot is in most rooms, the dealer won't give the answer.

5NL is nowhere near as tough as playing 2/5 for a living. If you aren't good enough to move up in stakes online then you shouldn't even consider playing poker for a living.

My market has some of the softest 2/5 games in the country IMO and even there many of the best players were high level online players. For instance, I know one player that used to 8 table 3/6+ online without a HUD and win handily. I know multiple players that played online poker for a living in some form or fashion. I know one player that was one of the top online limit hold 'em players in the world. He normally plays 5/T+ but sometimes he's sitting in a 2/5 game. I know another guy that was playing 25/50+ PLO for a living for the past few years but went on a big downswing and has been slumming it at 2/5 recently. Again, this is in a very soft 2/5 market. You won't find any players like this at 5NL.

5NL is very easy. So is 10NL and so is 25NL. If you don't think so then I'd recommend getting a job instead. In terms of what you should do, I'd recommend playing online and moving up in level. This will help you with your fundamentals. Just know that you will definitely need to make adjustments to transition to live poker. I'd recommend playing a lot of live before jumping in full time. As easy as live poker is the vast vast vast majority of players fail to make it as pros.

it just depends on your style. extracting money from nits is different from playing bloated pots with crazy degens.

If you can commonly dominate 2/5 regs, then you can probably go pro. You should play online to get better and if you can't beat the regs at 2/5 then you are going have to practice and work on your game until you can.

If you aren't just on a heater as we've seen from players on these forums that have gone on year long heaters and then go full time and then get destroyed.

Well, if he can't determine if he is simply getting good cards and humble himself then he may as well give up his ideas of making a living now.

Why are you so focused on playing 2/5 for a living? OP mentioned none of that.

Without knowing more about OP, it's impossible for us to give him good advice. However, In general I'd say grinding live low stakes for a living is a terrible idea for most people...even the few that are able to crush the games.

Oh sorry, if he's just trying to play for fun or grind on the side then I'd recommend playing some 1/2 and 1/3 and if he runs good or thinks it's super easy then move up to 2/5 immediately (weekend games preferably). He can drop down at any point.

I don't know. If you are a constant crusher, then you'd be a fool not to think about making a living.

I'm not sure what a constant crusher means. Even the best players have losing sessions and losing months. However, if you have a skillset and work ethic necessary to crush 2/5 then you should have what it takes to make way more money doing something else, which will probably be more interesting work, and you could still make money playing poker on the side if you want.

I think live low stakes is a good job for college kids to make good money while in school (while they aren't very employable). It's a dead end long term career though..especially given the current and projected state of poker.

Wait, so the best players have losing sessions and months? I need to keep track of this stuff. Thanks.

Online is definitely always going to be harder, but I dont think to that degree. I would say 25NL is comparable to 2/5.