Ok easy enough.

I have been wondering

With there only being a 2% favorite of suited vs non suited holdings. Why do we fold say JTo vs play JTs?




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Can some one tell what one is supposed to accomplish by starting at 5nl?

I feel like so far i am learning to be way more selective in my hands and to be patient. I still find myself wanting to play junk cause there are so many people limping and playing very lose. I feel like a nit most of the time but i just keep telling myself this is why your playing this level to learn patients and self control.

The hardest part for me so far is thinking about my Opponents hand ranges i try and really think about the situations and feel like i am doing some what ok at times but then other times i feel like the play is so bad they just play any 2 cards.

So i guess what i am asking what types of things should playing the micros be teaching me and instead of giving opponents so much credit for hands should i just play ABC poker at this level?

As always thanks for your guys time

In tournament play, a player makes a bet and the other player wants to know how much that player has behind, can he get the specific answer? The dealer at my table said he can't do that. Would it make a difference if this was a cash game?

1. JTss is more playable that JTo by a long way. Flopping flush draws allows you to barrel a lot more boards.

2. 5Nl is tougher than live IME, so learn to beat that and you're good for the casino. Yes there are some spazzes but there also a lot of pretty standard ABC players that are not good but they are better than most live players.

Thank you. I will stick to ABC poker and keep grinding away trying to build up enough of a sample to get some real data now.

bolded1 - you are in the small blind you are in fact out of position
bolded2 - there is a MASSIVE difference between on line 6 max and live full ring

I have a massive sample size as a winning player both live and on line (not a brag just providing a resume so that when you read this you will see that I am not speculating or making pie in the sky comments)

Playing 6 max on line and trying to transition to full ring cash can extremely problematic for most people. The dynamic is much different...and you will effectively turn into a spew monkey (I personally have witnessed many 6 max crushers struggle transitioning to live). They will convince themselves that certain situations are "unavoidable coolers" that are actually standard easy folds.

Let's say you have JTcc and you get the same flop, now you can barrel turns when it's a second club along with a K or Q. Always bluff with the hands that have the best equity when they get called else you might as well have 3bet 94o. Also it is better to balance because there are less suited hands, when you start bluffing with JTo you're bluffing way too many hands.

When you 3bet SB vs CO you want to have mostly value and some bluffs. Because you're out of position you're going to get called a bit more often so you want your bluffs to have the most equity possible. JTs would not be a favorite when called but it plays well and has quite a bit of equity. Against most opponents you would want less bluffs than value, let's say 2:1. If you have 99+/AQo+/AJs+/KQs for value that's 76 combinations. Hands you could pick to 3bet are A2-A5s, suited connectors like 67s and up and maybe some small pairs and/or suited one gappers. When you start adding all those hands you find that you already have waaaaaay too many combinations to play all of them and you haven't even added the offsuit hands. Why would you play JTo when you have a ton of better hands to play with?

You're never too old to do well at something if you apply yourself, best advice would be to surround yourself with good poker players. Make friends, if you're playing live somewhere and see a good player get talking to them. If you're playing on line. Buy some course that has a good reputation, and start networking with other students etc. Good luck

This is true. I think I alluded to this earlier but the first thing is adjust to is the incredibly slow pace, then the very wide limping/calling ranges and the very narrow 4bet ranges (and usually narrow 3bet ranges).

IMO the quickest immediate fix is to emulate Old Man Coffee i.e. learn to sit for hours and nut peddle...if you can't do that, well live poker is not for you, because the inability to take that simple course of action is what causes most of the spew I see at every table I ever played on.

well live poker 9man, you frequently get the opportunity to play 6max or even less, hell i'm even headsup sometimes. The table breaks, early in the morning etc. It really shouldn't be super hard to learn an extra 3 tighter positions on the table...

This would drive me insane, lose aggressive is a lot of fun, but I have a personality / demenaor that gets people into pots with me. It's a fine line though. But I think for sure you can make good money live playing loose aggressive. Understanding the players at your table, and just exploiting them appropriately.

For some reason i thought i was on the button. Not when i was playing the hand when i went over it for some reason i had in my head i was on BTN. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

So you saying i should play full ring instead of 6max? I do have a much tighter range for the UTG UTG+1 &+2 when i play 6 max i use the ranges for these positions LJ, HJ, CO, BTN, SB

Well said made sense to me. Thanks for the response.

This is absolutely terrible advise. This is a beginner forum with someone trying to learn how to play fundamentally sound poker at the most basic level of 1/2 NLH. A good lag at 1/2 is a unicorn.

I have a few more hands here nothing special its sometimes i feel like such a nit when i fold. Whats your thoughts are these good folds? I feel like i am questing every move and feel unsure of myself.

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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
CO ($9)
HERO ($4.37)
SB ($6.5)
BB ($1.5)

Dealt to Hero A 6

CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 4.22), SB Calls $0.13 (Rem. Stack: 6.35), BB Calls $0.1 (Rem. Stack: 1.35)

Flop ($0.45) J A 5
SB Checks, BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.22 (Rem. Stack: 4.00), SB Raises To $0.7 (Rem. Stack: 5.65), BB Folds, HERO Calls $0.48 (Rem. Stack: 3.52)

Turn ($1.85) J A 5 Q
SB Bets $1 (Rem. Stack: 4.65), HERO Calls $1 (Rem. Stack: 2.52)

River ($3.85) J A 5 Q J
SB Bets $2.2 (Rem. Stack: 2.45), HERO Folds

Hand 2

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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
CO ($5.99)
BTN ($4.93)
HERO ($8.35)
BB ($9.77)
HJ ($3.48)

Dealt to Hero 4 3

HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 5.84), BTN Calls $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 4.78), HERO Calls $0.13 (Rem. Stack: 8.20), BB Folds

Flop ($0.50) 4 9 3
HERO Checks, CO Checks, BTN Bets $0.5 (Rem. Stack: 4.28), HERO Calls $0.5 (Rem. Stack: 7.70), CO Calls $0.5 (Rem. Stack: 5.34)

Turn ($2.00) 4 9 3 K
HERO Checks, CO Checks, BTN Bets $1 (Rem. Stack: 3.28), HERO Folds, CO Folds


Hand 3

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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
HJ ($5.3)
CO ($4.54)
BTN ($4.16)
HERO ($11.69)
BB ($6.4)

Dealt to Hero 8 A

HJ Raises To $0.1 (Rem. Stack: 5.2), CO Calls $0.1 (Rem. Stack: 4.44), BTN Calls $0.1 (Rem. Stack: 4.06), HERO Calls $0.08 (Rem. Stack: 11.59), BB Calls $0.05 (Rem. Stack: 6.30)

Flop ($0.50) A 4 Q
HERO Checks, BB Checks, HJ Checks, CO Checks, BTN Bets $0.2 (Rem. Stack: 3.86), HERO Calls $0.2 (Rem. Stack: 11.39), BB Calls $0.2 (Rem. Stack: 6.10), HJ Folds, CO Folds

Turn ($1.10) A 4 Q J
HERO Checks, BB Bets $1.1 (Rem. Stack: 5.00), BTN Folds, HERO Folds

Don't get me wrong, I'm saying if you play online and have never played live, the best immediate adjustment is go OMC. Not saying it's the only way or even optimal. I do think tight is right though. Postflop is the time to make money with skills.

That said, I look like a total rock at these games but I'm actually just playing fairly normal ranges. Just about everyone else is too loose e.g. a 'decent' reg will flat a single raise with KJo in the small blind; most players will flat nearly any two suited on the BTN or if there are a few limpers ahead, they will overlimp 100%...that kind of thing.

No need, I play 6 max online and 10 players live. The adjustments you have to make going from online to live are much greater than the adjustment between 6max and full ring.

Online is the best environment to learn poker fundamentals, because you can grind out 10x the number of hands without breaking a sweat. Live is the best place to apply those fundamentals IMO because you can beat up on ******s at a stake which is extremely tough online.

Hand 1 is OK IMO.

Hand 2 fold pre, 43ss is a piece of crap and your position is the nut low. This hand will never make the nuts, or almost never anyway. You could go ahead and fold this on the BTN and probably BB as well, but calling from either here wouldn't be terrible.

Hand 3 is OK IMO.

I also thought the transition from online to live would be more challenging then 6max to full ring. But what do i know i am a newb.

Ok TY.. The hardest part for me so far is questioning every move i make. I feel like with time and experience this will effect my play much less

I generally agree with most things werebeer says but I really disagree on the 6 max thing

I am a huge fan of training for what you are going to do. Training at 6 max and then attempting playing full ring live falls into this category. They are very different games

After black friday - which was 6+ years ago I had to transition to live. I had played a lot of live prior so I was "prepared". That being said there were certain spots where I blasted off 100 bigs unnecessarily in spots that were standard on line but not so live. there was an adjustment phase for me and it was quick and relatively painless

The dudes that struggled the absolute most were the guys that came from 6 max. The dynamic is much more aggro etc. And these dudes torched an absolute ton completely unnecessarily. Most left the scene.

As someone who is new exactly what benefit do you gain from playing 6 max if your end goal is to play live? Answer - zero. Train how you plan to perform

Played this hand today i'm curious how i played it. I'm wondering if anyone finds a fold and was my bet sizing ok?

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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
CO ($4.76)
BTN ($3.99)
HERO ($4.95)
BB ($5)
UTG ($5.76)
HJ ($5.07)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

UTG Calls $0.05 (Rem. Stack: 5.71), HJ Calls $0.05 (Rem. Stack: 5.02), CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.28 (Rem. Stack: 4.65), BB Calls $0.25 (Rem. Stack: 4.70), UTG Calls $0.25 (Rem. Stack: 5.46), HJ Folds

Flop ($0.95) Q 8 A
HERO Bets $0.77 (Rem. Stack: 3.88), BB $4.7 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00), UTG Calls $4.7 (Rem. Stack: 0.76), HERO $3.88 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00)

Turn ($15.00) Q 8 A 3

River ($15.00) Q 8 A 3 4

What's others opinions on this. I see both sides and I'm gonna play FR just cause it makes more sense to me to play online what I will be playing live.


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3bet pre and leading flop are imperative, bet sizing is fine. You cannot even consider folding this 100bb deep, it's a fistpump when you get shoved on and have a call ahead. Most likely hands you will see are AQ/88/KJcc. I guess UTG flatted AA but such is life.

I'm with squid face, FR is much more similar to live $1/$2 than 6max.

OK thank you.

Thanks.

I have a question for you guys. So how much time should i actually be playing vs learning? I know it seems like a simple question but i find myself wanting to read and learn more then i do play. When i do play its like 150 200 hands then i go back to studying. But some days i don't even play i have only played once this week and planned on putting a decent session in Saturday and Sunday to me it seems like the weekends are better tables.
I am wondering if i should be playing daily?

Definitely start with 9max. The blinds come around less often than 6max and heads up so you are able to play tighter and learn how to play the "easier" hole cards.

Once you're comfortable at 9max, and winning over a decent sample size, move to 6 max. It may take longer than you think to get to this point. I would move to 6 max before moving up in limits. Here you can learn how to loosen up a bit at the table.

Then, once you're winning at 6max over a large sample you can go back to the 9max tables. You should now know how to play tight on tables with lots of players seeing flops as well as how to take advantage of tables where people are folding a lot early.

This is jumping ahead a little though. Learn to beat 9max, then learn 6max to be able to take better advantage at the 9max tables.