Can some one review this hand for me. I think it will help me understand how to go over hands. Don't have any history with the villain.

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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
HJ ($2.35)
CO ($5.81)
HERO ($7.29)
SB ($4.95)
BB ($5.16)

Dealt to Hero 8 T

HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 5.66), HERO Calls $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 7.14), SB Folds, BB Folds

Flop ($0.37) 2 T 9
CO Bets $0.30 (Rem. Stack: 5.36), HERO Calls $0.30 (Rem. Stack: 6.84)

Turn ($0.97) 2 T 9 7
CO Bets $0.75 (Rem. Stack: 4.61), HERO Calls $0.75 (Rem. Stack: 6.09)

River ($2.47) 2 T 9 7 5
CO Bets $1.85 (Rem. Stack: 2.76), HERO Calls $1.85 (Rem. Stack: 4.24)

CO shows 9 9

CO wins $5.87

Why did you call preflop with that hand? Can you name hands that a random micro stakes player would just triple barrel with as a bluff like that?

I'm at the bottom of my range and have it as call. To be totally honest I'm not sure I just started playing with ranges. Should I be playing tighter then that?

Green is Raise
Pink is call
Yellow call or fold
Blue raise or fold





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I don't hate the pre flop call or the flop float, but OTT, the board has hit your range harder than villain's, yet he still bets. What does that tell you about his hand?

Use your smallest suited aces as a standard 3bet 100% of the time as well as your lowest one-gappers like 64s-T8s. Not saying they can't be profitable calls and the EV of both can be pretty close but if you want to exploit people postflop you're going to have to be a little more solid to make it worth it. 3betting generates instant fold equity and most of the players play very poorly against 3bets. You can probably also 3bet your offsuit junk broadways (ATo/QJo) as 3bets way more profitably than as calls. This leads to more 3betting in general so if you want to tighten up cut some of your worst suited connectors all together, they are marginally profitable anyways.

edit; yes you won't have full coverage of the board when you call and you can't have A3s or 54s but at this level you profit from making exploitable deviations that aren't noticed by opponents.

I defiantly didn't think it was a set. I guess i was thinking AT draw hand. I would of got away from the hand if turn 7 wouldn't of improved my hand. I felt like any 10 J 6 on the river i will have the best hand. The river call was actually a mistake or maybe it wasn't. But wheni glanced at the screen i thought he bet 1.00 and made the call.

Im sorry if it it doesn't make much sense. I'm so new to you using hand ranges when playing i feel like i am a complete newb to when i used to just play what ever hand for what ever reason. basically solely on gut instinct i guess would be the best way to describe it.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.. I will get better at this the more i do it. I just took those hands out of my range i left KJo and QJo but i will either 3B or fold those hands.

Ok so let's do this example and just focus on our range. I am not going into detail about bet sizes and calling frequencies, just a rough example. I'm going to play this hand without putting in any raises until the river because it makes a lot of sense not to have raising ranges on this runout. (this is to protect your calls by the way but let's ignore that)

Preflop I am just going to copy your preflop calling range which is:

99-22,ATs-A8s,A5s-A4s,KTs-K9s,QTs-Q9s,J9s,T8s+,97s+,87s,AJo,KQo This is 132 combinations

He bets near pot on the flop so he needs to get nearly 50% through. Because when you call he still has equity you need to call a bit more than just the defense frequency. Note that you probably need to defend some more gutshots in real game. For the example I have chosen this range:

99,22,ATs-A9s,KTs-K9s,QTs-Q9s,J9s,T8s+,97s+,87s,KQo This is 72 combinations

On the turn he bets big again so you can fold some hands again without being exploited. The first ones to go are second pairs because they have the least equity and I also fold my missed gutshots like KQo. I am left with:

99, 22, ATs, KTs, QTs, T8s+, 97s+, 87s which is 44 combinations

So with a blank river and him betting pretty big he is risking about 4 to win 5. You can ditch around half your hands so where do you start? Out of that range you have all sets, two pairs and higher top pairs. T8s and 98s are literally the worst hands you have. If you decide to call with them you are basically calling all your hands so he can valuebet relentlessly. If you have a read and you want to exploit him then go ahead but if that's not the case then this hand needs to be folded on the river.

Edit: note that this is a defensive way to play when you don't have the betting lead. I didn't even consider my equity against his range, or his range itself in the first place.

Your post makes sense to me. Which to be honest I feel like most of the time non of what I'm reading and doing makes sense. I can't figure out why others then the fact I developed very bad habits and tendencies from playing the way I did before now.

So when dealt a hand in your range do you assume your opponent opens,calls,raises with the same range you would from that position?

So what your saying is I need to be sure I'm folding the bottom end of my rang more?




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Learn how use a hud asap if you ain't already.

I just started using drive hud watched some tutorials on it. And just trying to get the hang of it. Im not wanting to get to depend it on a hud since objectively I'm preparing my self for live play.


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Since I have a decent understanding of what the best play is at a given moment the best defense combats that specific range so that whenever someone deviates from the strategy they lose money. If you don't know what another player would do you can just assume they play your ranges and decide what you do against that. If he has a wildly different strategy you are still not going to be exploited. Of course if your opponent is making massive mistakes you need to exploit that right away and not assume they play well.

When you don't fold the bottom of your range you're basically saying you think your opponent is bluffing waaaaay too much and he is FOS. Now without knowing his range and knowing the equity of your hand against that range, if he is a decent and balanced player you can assume that the bottom of your range is losing to his bet. Without having any idea what range he is playing instinctively we know that he has to have some good hands and some bluffs and that it is better to call with our best hands rather than our worst hands. Based on the pot odds you need to call with some percentage of your range to make him unable to bluff a lot. Against any reasonable bet you should always fold the bottom of your range or raise it as a bluff because calling is not going to be correct often enough.

When you make a decision the top and bottom of your range are the easiest to play. You know that preflop you fold 72o and you get it in with aces. It's the hands that get closer to the middle that make the difference since it starts becoming less clear what the right decision is. By folding the bottom hands of your range you always guarantee that you fold at least some of your hands and you're not calling too much. In other words, against a random player this call on the river with T8s was a massive mistake.

Here is another interesting hand from tonight. Not sure if i should of folded on turn re raise.

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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
CO ($6.03)
HERO ($6.03)
SB ($6.50)
BB ($5.76)

Dealt to Hero 9 T

CO Raises To $0.11 (Rem. Stack: 5.92), HERO Calls $0.11 (Rem. Stack: 5.92), SB Raises To $0.53 (Rem. Stack: 5.95), BB Folds, CO Calls $0.44 (Rem. Stack: 5.48), HERO Calls $0.44 (Rem. Stack: 5.48)

Flop ($1.70) 7 7 J
SB Checks, CO Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($1.70) 7 7 J 8
SB Bets $0.90 (Rem. Stack: 5.05), CO Folds, HERO Raises To $2.08 (Rem. Stack: 3.40), SB Raises To $5.05 (Rem. Stack: 0.00), HERO Calls $3.40 (Rem. Stack: 0.00), SB $0.47

River ($13.60) 7 7 J 8 2

SB shows 9 A

SB wins $12.03

Stop posting results. They are irrelevant and influence people's responses.

I'm not sure I get what your saying? I thought the way to get help was posting hands for others to look at. Not trying to start a argument just trying to understand what you are trying to say. Thanks


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Post the hands but not the results. When analyzing how you played a hand, results are 100% irrelevant to whether or not you played the hand correctly, but when people see the results, it often leads to a sub-optimal response.

Ok i got it.. Thank you for pointing that out to me

What hands do you think he checks flop with and bets the turn? Which of those hands can call a raise? Which of those hands would not call but shove?

I felt like he was checking all draws and possible slow playing trips. I felt like he had the flush after his re raise. I just couldn't fold. The way this player had been playing i felt like it was time to look him up. Now i'm leaning more on the side of just fold or a check call anything but a shove with the flush and a paired board i should of figured i was in bad shape.

is it better just to air on the side of caution and just find a fold in these situations? I feel like when i fold off a huge hand it opens me up to more bluffs down the road.

These are the ones that will drive you nuts if you let them.

I don't mind the PF, Flop or Turn but am learning more and more each day that this River is normally bad news even though you are getting 2.5 to 1 on a call. You have a number of things to consider.

1) You are up against the PF raiser .. so AA-JJ (really any pair) is possible
2) An OOP (out of position) player has fired 3 bullets at 75% pot each.
3) Although the Turn looked great you are 'only' left with TPNK (Top Pair, No Kicker) for a showdown.
4) As stated, you are lacking any history with this player

Typically when at a new table or dealing with a new player you need to look at each hand straight forwardly (ABC) and just take it for what it is ... a hand worth betting 3 streets for value with.

As another poster alluded to, on each street you need to consider what your opponents range is 'now' and what your opponent thinks your range is 'now'. When V fires out on a Turn that could either make or really solidify his opponent's hand that should send off a little warning bell. Not that I wouldn't call the Turn as well ...

On the River it does come down to a little ranging and a little math. Are you really expecting to win 25-30% of the time here? That would need to include bluff catching (missed flush/strt = J9/AKs types) and a player who would barrel with a lower pair or worse kicker. There are A LOT of Tx hands that you are behind ... Granted I still want to 'crying' call here depending on how my session has been going. GL

I don't know but for me playing micros has taken a lot of discipline. I didn't realize i was playing so careless before and trust me after a 1000 hands I'm no pro all i can say is i sure wish i would of forced myself to play these stake before. I feel like its good practice for me. And as stated by so many of you. mistakes are cheaper! In turn i handle them better so i learn from them. I'm sure before when i played the mistakes just put me in donkey tilt

So i have a hand i feel like i should of DB the turn. Not sure though.

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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
HJ ($2.4)
CO ($5.29)
BTN ($3)
HERO ($7.44)
BB ($5)
UTG ($6.38)

Dealt to Hero T J

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 5.14), BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.43 (Rem. Stack: 6.99), BB Folds, CO Calls $0.3 (Rem. Stack: 4.84)

Flop ($0.95) 7 A 6
HERO Bets $0.72 (Rem. Stack: 6.27), CO Calls $0.72 (Rem. Stack: 4.12)

Turn ($2.39) 7 A 6 K
HERO Checks, CO Checks

River ($2.39) 7 A 6 K 3
HERO Checks, CO Checks

Fold pre

JTo is a weak hand

y are u 3 betting here?
what is your plan post flop?
it appears u r simply clicking buttons


*edit - it also appears that you are playing 6 max. Its my understanding that you are trying to get prepped to play live poker which is 9/10 handed. 6 max is a very different beast...you should practice what you intend on playing.

This is the bottom of my range I was in position I was under the impression I need to bluff some of my weakest holdings. So that's what I did. Felt like I had some draw equity so though this was a good spot. If I should be doing something different here or if I am wrong then I will change it.

Yes I plan on playing live. I don't really see a huge difference in the 2 outside of playing a wider opening range 6max. I also felt like I can see more hands at 6max which will effect the variance. But **** what do I know. If my way of thinking is all wrong then I have no problem changing.


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