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Old 05-30-2012, 09:41 AM   #1
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2nl 6max on pokerstars

anyone can help me with some raising and 3betting ranges by position?
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Old 05-30-2012, 09:53 AM   #2
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Re: 2nl 6max on pokerstars

Totally villain dependant.

Typical PFR hands (I know others are going to disagree, just a personal chart)
UTG: 22+, AJo+, KQs+
MP: 22+, A9o+, QJs+
CO: 22+ A8o+, K10o+, T9s+ (sometimes down to 78s,67s but once again depends on villains to act.)
BT: 22+, A2o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J8o+, T7s+, 97s+, 54s+.
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3betting varies so much on the opponent that you're playing against, there are villains that I will rarely ever 3bet against if they're 4/3 rocks, but will open up my range to 3betting wide if against an aggro donk.

You then have the situation of 3betting if you feel the button or sb are trying to steal and you're in the BB, but that's a totally different story.

Generally, at 2nl, bet on every street when you hit, but reassess if villain starts playing back or c/c every street.
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Old 06-01-2012, 04:39 AM   #3
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Re: 2nl 6max on pokerstars

thanks. one more question: what are the perfect hm stats? vpip, pfr, 3bet etc.
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Old 06-01-2012, 05:01 AM   #4
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Totally villain dependant.

Typical PFR hands (I know others are going to disagree, just a personal chart)
UTG: 22+, AJo+, KQs+
MP: 22+, A9o+, QJs+
CO: 22+ A8o+, K10o+, T9s+ (sometimes down to 78s,67s but once again depends on villains to act.)
BT: 22+, A2o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J8o+, T7s+, 97s+, 54s+.
SB: As above if unopened.

3betting varies so much on the opponent that you're playing against, there are villains that I will rarely ever 3bet against if they're 4/3 rocks, but will open up my range to 3betting wide if against an aggro donk.

You then have the situation of 3betting if you feel the button or sb are trying to steal and you're in the BB, but that's a totally different story.

Generally, at 2nl, bet on every street when you hit, but reassess if villain starts playing back or c/c every street.
This would be thin with bottom pair...

+1 to the ranges however. Seem nice and solid.

"Perfect HEM stats" dont exist. Everyone plays a differnt game. After you have logged 10k hands or so, post your stats in the stats thread (not sure where its located...) and a reg will take a look and locate any obvious leakes.
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Old 06-01-2012, 05:34 AM   #5
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Re: 2nl 6max on pokerstars

Chaz's ranges are good. Adjust CO and BTN according to who is left to act, you should vary anywhere between tightening somewhat and expanding to ATC to steal from nits.

As he said 3 bets are very situational, I might do anything from folding AK (rarely) to 3-betting/shove depending on the villain. But at 2NL you should largely stick to a strict value range, just adjust what you consider value. You can usually get it in with QQ+.

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thanks. one more question: what are the perfect hm stats? vpip, pfr, 3bet etc.
No such thing. Play according to table conditions. 10/7 is too tight; 40/30 is too loose. Start tight, I'm a giant nit and run about 18/14.

Rack up 1000 hands and we can tell you how your VPIP/PRF is. Rack up 10K and post in the stats thread in this forum.
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Old 06-01-2012, 05:43 AM   #6
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Re: 2nl 6max on pokerstars

thanks guys. i have been winner on bet365 at 10nl, i was taking shots with small sums, not playing in bankroll. but i'm having troubles beating 2nl on pokerstars, lol. or maybe it's a bad start?
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Old 06-01-2012, 06:49 AM   #7
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Re: 2nl 6max on pokerstars

2nl can be hard to beat cause its so wild but you just need to make the right adjustments.
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Old 06-01-2012, 07:12 AM   #8
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thanks guys. i have been winner on bet365 at 10nl, i was taking shots with small sums, not playing in bankroll. but i'm having troubles beating 2nl on pokerstars, lol. or maybe it's a bad start?
2NL is pretty easy to beat, it's not play money but if you beat 10NL anywhere I can't imagine you will be unable to crush it.
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Old 06-04-2012, 05:29 AM   #9
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Re: 2nl 6max on pokerstars

stats over 5k on various limits. 2nl not included because i didnt had hm back then.

i messed up my mind about playing in bankroll cuz i have final exams coming soon and no time. decided to take shots like i did on b365.

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Old 06-04-2012, 06:02 AM   #10
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Just seeing a red x there.
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Old 06-04-2012, 06:19 AM   #11
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Re: 2nl 6max on pokerstars

wut?
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Old 06-04-2012, 09:22 AM   #12
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Re: 2nl 6max on pokerstars

2nl is very easy to beat, its all about value.

People think its hard due the people being so loose, just ride some variance and you'll profit.

Cha4zz ranges are fine I tend to tighten up UTG and use cha4zz range but from 77+ and the rests fine.
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Old 06-04-2012, 05:55 PM   #13
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Re: 2nl 6max on pokerstars

just for kicks, you could probably beat 2nl 4-6 tabling 6max without a HUD right?
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Old 06-04-2012, 06:49 PM   #14
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just for kicks, you could probably beat 2nl 4-6 tabling 6max without a HUD right?
Yes, but why bother?
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