Usually when you bet its as a bluff, or for value. But what does betting for value actually mean? Does it mean we bet when we have a good hand like Top Pair+? well not really, and I think the following hand illustrates that quite clearly.

$0.50/$1

MP: $112.60
CO: $104.05
BTN: $160.10
Hero (SB): $141.50
BB: $39.50
UTG: $120.05

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with J A
MP raises $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.50, BB calls $3

Flop: ($12.00) 3 3 A (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $7, Hero calls $7, BB folds

Turn: ($26.00) A
Hero checks, MP bets $14, Hero?

MP is a nitty 6 tabling regular who plays 17/14, and robotically ABC postflop. We have a virtual lock on this hand, still I think hero should just call, because a raise would serve no purpose.

Hero Calls and...
River: ($54.00) 2
Hero checks, MP bets $35, Hero?

MP has 50$ behind, we are good virtually always here, should we c/r all in?
Again I think the correct play is to just call.

He has AK sir.

idk wth else he would be doing this with....I don't mind just calling here because you're either splitting the pot or losing most of the time.

Wait what? Are you saying you aren't going to raise the river?

yes, ducy why?

No I don't follow

I don't think you would gain any value from raising this river.

Aren't you losing value if you don't raise that river...

on one hand, he could have quad 3s

on the other hand, people do stupid things such as misclick or just for some stupid reason - not believe you have an A even though it's obvious that you do...also there's something to be said about not showing your holecards

You value bet because they can call with worse hands, whether they'll call you with K high when you have A high or if they'll only call you with 2pair+ is still a value bet. Here, there really aren't worse hands to get value from but you're not really afraid of better hands.

Probably because you are only getting called by another FH to split the pot and pay more rake to the house or Quad 3s and lose the whole pot. Either way it's a lose lose situation. There is no extra money to be won by raising. Is that what you meant?

I don't think MP would bet on the flop with quads.

If anything, I'd put him on a pocket pair and then raise that river 100% of the time.

yes, kingkong; this hand is an extreme example to illustrait point. The concept comes up rarely but its important, when you're valuebetting, don't do that just because you have X hand strength, do it because you can get called by worse more then ~50ish% of the time.

To 321, think

1. How many 3x hands does mp have pf?
2. Does he bet 3x on turn?
3. If he bets with 3x on turn does he call a c/r?
4. Does he bet a 3x three streets?
5. He misclicked 3 times times in a row, does he call a c/r all in without an ace?

And the only value I can see from not showing your cards in this instance is that you'll never be able to bluff this board - but when will you ever need to bluff in this situation?

Ok but if he's nitty, can't we put him on a hand such as QQ or KK and then because he sees a 2nd ace, may be thinking that you don't have one of two aces, he could just be protecting his hand and trying to get you to fold. I dunno if I'm looking at this the wrong way, but not raising the boat at the end when he could call just to see what you have, is losing value imo.

Is a winning player really calling with KK on the end just to see what you have? Is he going to bet KK on the turn? Will he bet it on the river?

What does betting on the river accomplish with KK in your opinion?

This would make sense but if I'm holding KK on this board I'm definetly not triple barreling.

It does seem unlikely that he has a 3, and if he has 2 of them, well that just sucks. But I can't see him calling any raise with anything but an Ace or the quads. Doesn't mean he doesn't have KK or QQ or something like that, but that I can't believe he'd call with them. So OPs notion that he'll get the same by raising as by calling almost all of the time is valid, and the other tiny percent of the time he is totally coolered by the quads.

That said, there probably is a greater probability that he will call with less than an Ace than the prob he has quads. So it likely is worth the risk. And you shouldn't worry about adding to the rake here, because you won't be. The pot has already reached the max rake (at least at any site I play).