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Old 01-12-2012, 11:31 PM   #1
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Two Quick Blackjack Questions

Some scenarios I ran into while playing, not necessarily first hand.

1- If a dealer 'helps' out a player (ex. against dealer 6, some guy is not paying attn to his 13 and hits, dealer says "are you sure you want to hit with my 6?), but same dealer fails to do so later on (with similar situation), can floor be called upon to rectify situation?

2- Player has hijack (last seat) and has 6 against dealer 6 showing and hits to an 11. Player hits and at least 2 players at the table tell him to stay so dealer can take bust card (Actual quote: "If he takes the 10 everyone wins and not just you."). Hijack correct play or do the 2 others have a point?

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Old 01-12-2012, 11:57 PM   #2
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Some scenarios I ran into while playing, not necessarily first hand.

1- If a dealer 'helps' out a player (ex. against dealer 6, some guy is not paying attn to his 13 and hits, dealer says "are you sure you want to hit with my 6?), but same dealer fails to do so later on (with similar situation), can floor be called upon to rectify situation?

2- Player has hijack (last seat) and has 6 against dealer 6 showing and hits to an 11. Player hits and at least 2 players at the table tell him to stay so dealer can take bust card (Actual quote: "If he takes the 10 everyone wins and not just you."). Hijack correct play or do the 2 others have a point?

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1. Just about anything can happen and you certainly can call the floor. Is there a situation that needs to be, should be, or virtually ever will be rectified, no. The dealer went above and beyond in one case and didn't in the other. I'm sure you can see how exposed they would be if they made this policy (hint, you should almost always keep giving the hit sign until you bust). You wouldn't seek restitution from a civilian who once saved a man from a burning building but did not manage to do so in all other cases, would you?

2. The two others have a point if they are doing something the house would rather they not do (and/or may be illegal), such as finding a way to identify the next card before it comes. Otherwise, obviously they don't.
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Old 01-13-2012, 12:12 AM   #3
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There are some things similar to #1 that sometimes get changed though. One is if a dealer mis-identifies your hand. Many dealers call out a player's total after every card and if they call a wrong total that would logically effect a decision sometimes it gets reversed. I've seen this happen when a 21 got called a 12, but that's somewhat unique as it's usually against the rules to hit a 21. I imagine if a dealer verbally called 17, 16 and a player hit to a bust there'd be a chance, though not likely an obligation, of getting some help from the floor. Personally, I think it's a small enough chance to where I wouldn't recommend you take the free-roll.

A situation like #1 where no false information is given and the dealer acts on a legitimate signal by the player I just can't see. Somebody else might give better insight on standard dealer training/procedure in that spot, and fwiw I know most will ask in spots like that, but even if it is procedure at a place for dealers to do something like that it's not going to extend to the policy I think you want. Also, many players become offended by dealers who question their play and/or feel it is bad luck to the point where I really doubt it's procedure and is more going above and beyond.
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Old 01-13-2012, 01:11 AM   #4
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1, I doubt the floor would rescue you from a bad decision to hit 13 against a 6 unless you are a reg who is known to always play basic strategy. Late one night the other night I had a brain fart and hit hard 21, the dealer called the floor who told her to take back the bust card! This happened at Green Valley Ranch.

2. Statistically the player at 3rd base doesn't affect the other players even if he misplays the hand. But I would still, however irrationally, become tilted at a ploppy who misplayed the hand and "took the dealer's bust card."
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Old 01-13-2012, 03:33 AM   #5
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lol at the players telling you 'not to take the dealers bust card'.

****ing idiots, they cant see the deck and you should be making the most +ev play possible. Obviously hitting on 11 against a 6 is so ****ing unbelievably +EV.

For all the other players know, you could take the bust card and then the dealer could hit to make 21.

Really annoys me when people go on about BJ being a team game.
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Old 01-13-2012, 04:27 AM   #6
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Late one night the other night I had a brain fart and hit hard 21, the dealer called the floor who told her to take back the bust card! This happened at Green Valley Ranch.
That's pretty standard. If you look at the rules for most blackjack games they say you aren't allowed to hit on 21.
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Old 01-13-2012, 11:50 AM   #7
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Really annoys me when people go on about BJ being a team game.
Yep. It's a great way to drive folks to play those video BJ games, where you never know when the shoe turns over. More and more of these = less live dealers.
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Old 01-13-2012, 06:02 PM   #8
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I would never stay on 11, regardless of what the table wants me to do. That is ridiculous. What if I catch a 5 and the dealer turns over 16 and busts? Then we all win instead of all losing. The dealer could also turn over 11 and catch 21 with my card and beat us all if I stay on 11.

I've had people get pissy about stuff like that but they are the same people that get pissed when you split 9's against a 6. "How can you split 18 vs a 6? You screwed us all!" Worry about your own money and play correctly. Any change from basic strategy without a good reason adds to the house advantage. The guy next to you calling you selfish is not a good reason.
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Old 01-13-2012, 06:40 PM   #9
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Yeah I LOVE when people get mad at you for doing something that they think is wrong. I then pull out the strat card and show them they do not know what they are talking about. I then later show them every one of their mistakes until they leave.
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Old 01-13-2012, 06:44 PM   #10
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I would never stay on 11, regardless of what the table wants me to do. That is ridiculous. What if I catch a 5 and the dealer turns over 16 and busts? Then we all win instead of all losing. The dealer could also turn over 11 and catch 21 with my card and beat us all if I stay on 11.

I've had people get pissy about stuff like that but they are the same people that get pissed when you split 9's against a 6. "How can you split 18 vs a 6? You screwed us all!" Worry about your own money and play correctly. Any change from basic strategy without a good reason adds to the house advantage. The guy next to you calling you selfish is not a good reason.
I will just ask for my stake as a "fee" for standing.
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Old 01-15-2012, 04:27 AM   #11
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cards are all the same face down
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:22 PM   #12
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when people complain about me doing something that will (supposedly) influence them negatively I tell them that is exactly why I am doing it - in order to make them lose.
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Old 01-15-2012, 02:21 PM   #13
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I saw a lady end up with probably her case couple thousand in life on the lay-out. She'd even went to the cash machine during the hand. Ended up with a number of strong hands vs a dealer bust card and 3rd base wanted to split paint with I think a $10 wager. She offered to pay him $50 to stand. He declined. Dealer got there.

That was a situation I felt bad about. The, "hey don't split your 9's because I don't want you to" stuff is obviously just funny though.
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Old 01-16-2012, 08:15 AM   #14
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1. Rectify what?

2. No, they do not have a point.
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Old 01-16-2012, 11:29 PM   #15
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I was the person at 3rd base on scenario 2. We had been about 2/3 through the deck and it had been a brutal one so hence why the stupidity ensued. I ignored all of them and took a 9 for 20. Dealer takes a 3 and the complaining continued, so much so that it kind of tilted me and I walked away from the table for a few minutes.

Later on, the dealer on that hand, who was a woman was on her break and I was walking around the casino. She came by and told me, "Hon, don't listen to what anyone else says, play your own game. If you stayed on that 11, I would've lost all respect for you."
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