Thread about video poker

[SuitedJunk]

Open Ended straight flush, I would consider going for... Gut Shot straight flush and any other dealt made hand (besides Royal Flush of course), I would not break up anything for.

I mix it up sometimes depending on my session...

I once broke up a pair of Aces playing Double Double Bonus to hold 3 to the royal and the royal hit.

The other night, I was dealt QhQcKh... Part of me was saying, hold the KQh, I heald the pair of Q, the draw was TJAh

You never know...

[bandit8402]

Soooo...triple play can be addictive. And also expensive.

[tringlomane]

I burn enough money playing video poker by trying to be as optimal as possible (mainly because I really only can afford nickel machines). Screw mixing it up.

[dogfishy]

Anyone know if there are any full pay tables at the CT casinos? I might start grinding if there are, so I can have something to do that isn't terribly -EV when I go on tilt and have to leave the poker table.

[RudeboyOi]

Originally Posted by dogfishy

Anyone know if there are any full pay tables at the CT casinos? I might start grinding if there are, so I can have something to do that isn't terribly -EV when I go on tilt and have to leave the poker table.

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[bandit8402]

I might have to find another hobby or completely change my way of thinking like an advantage VP player. Here are my stats since I started:

Total Buy In: 3,675.75
Total Cash Out: 1,480.75
Total Coin In: 48,485.00
Total ROI: 95.47%
Estimated Hands: 38788

Net Win/Loss: -2,195.00
Exp. Win/Loss: -223.03

I heard good things about video poker at South Point and they were running a promotion. 1250 points through gives me max entries into a nightly drawing and they accumulate through the month of August. $10k for the first drawn name ($20k if you're present) and $1k for 2nd-10th names drawn. I figured that if I earned the max entries every day, I'd have at least a razor thin edge on the 9/6 JOB with free play.

The last $36k or so coin through was played at South Point. About $20k of that was triple play quarters 9/6 JOB and the rest single line quarter 9/6 JOB.

My first mistake was not having a plan to maximize my EV every time I drove to the casino. Second mistake was moving up to triple play quarters. I accepted the higher variance for the same quarter coins however I did not realize I needed a much bigger bankroll. The jump from $1.25/play to $3.75/play is huge and I should not have played so much.

So should I stop playing triple play quarters? I don't know yet. I'm accumulating points at a faster rate. This will allow me to play through the required $1250 coin in at about a third of the time than single line. What I need to do here is quantify how much my time is worth. Is it worth it for me to play 20 minutes (estimated to get $1250 coin through) of triple play at a higher variance than an hour of single line? It depends but I have to research that. Chances are that the answer is easy: I need a bigger bankroll.

The biggest change I'm going to make right now is to stop play at 1250 coin in. Other than that, I will have to do some research to find out what other changes I need to make (i.e. new games, other promos, etc.)

[Barbiaux]

You have your cash lost listed but what about promos other than the drawing. I think a big part of advantage play would be the free items you receive as well.

[SuitedJunk]

There is nothing wrong with moving up to a multi line machine... you can do it for less variance, but not moving up...

For example...

$5 VP = $25 a hand single line
$1 VP 5 line = $25 a hand
$0.50 VP 10 line = $25 a hand
$0.10 VP 50 line = $25 a hand
$0.05 VP 100 Line = $25 a hand

You can move up that way for less variance, it could be more entertaining, and your money will go further playing the 100 line, but, hard to find a 9/6 JOB game on that...

I feel most comfortable with 5 line, I feel its the best balance for breaking even / profit per hand... (ie, only need one 2 pair, and one three of a kind to break even...

[bandit8402]

Originally Posted by Barbiaux

You have your cash lost listed but what about promos other than the drawing. I think a big part of advantage play would be the free items you receive as well.

Those figures include the free slot play at a rate of 333 points = 1 dollar, which I take out periodically. I probably should keep track of how much I use, but should it really affect my bottom line? Like my ROI is 95.47% but without free slot play it's 95.47% - 1/333 = 95.17%. Not really much difference in using either number for keeping score in that I'm running below expectation. I can probably ask the slot club how much I used.

As far as other free goodies, I expect to get a mailer next month. Hopefully I don't go broke by then. Jk jk.

[bandit8402]

Originally Posted by SuitedJunk

There is nothing wrong with moving up to a multi line machine... you can do it for less variance, but not moving up...

For example...

$5 VP = $25 a hand single line
$1 VP 5 line = $25 a hand
$0.50 VP 10 line = $25 a hand
$0.10 VP 50 line = $25 a hand
$0.05 VP 100 Line = $25 a hand

You can move up that way for less variance, it could be more entertaining, and your money will go further playing the 100 line, but, hard to find a 9/6 JOB game on that...

I feel most comfortable with 5 line, I feel its the best balance for breaking even / profit per hand... (ie, only need one 2 pair, and one three of a kind to break even...

I said to myself "ooo, look a new way to play...3 lines instead of 1!" then got slightly addicted. It was a lot more fun than single line and I did not realize I was playing so much until it cost me.

I went back last night to submit my entries and play some more. I decided to do a walk around of the floor again in search of more multi line games and I was lucky enough to actually find a 50 play nickel machine with 9/6 JOB (only 4 of them as far as I saw.) So I sat down and played 5 line max coins for $1.25/hand but it was sooo slow. It was an action gaming multiplay machine but the turbo setting is not as fast as the other action gaming "all star" machine I got owned on. I guess it's a slight compromise for less variance plus I can accurately hold the right cards. I might bump it up to 6 or 7 line to keep my hourly coin in the same as single play.

[Barbiaux]

I played a weird game a few weeks back that I have never played before. It was 4 or 5 lines but you only played the first line but if you won then you played the 2nd line but at a multiplier and if you won then you played the 3rd and so on. The pay table was not so good and if I am remembering correctly you payed for all the lines even though you may not get past the first one. I played this a few weeks ago so all the details are fuzzy. I only put a $20 in on a $0.25 machine and I blew through that in minutes. It was a fun game but I could just imagine how -ev it really was.

[bandit8402]

Originally Posted by Barbiaux

I played a weird game a few weeks back that I have never played before. It was 4 or 5 lines but you only played the first line but if you won then you played the 2nd line but at a multiplier and if you won then you played the 3rd and so on. The pay table was not so good and if I am remembering correctly you payed for all the lines even though you may not get past the first one. I played this a few weeks ago so all the details are fuzzy. I only put a $20 in on a $0.25 machine and I blew through that in minutes. It was a fun game but I could just imagine how -ev it really was.

That's multistrike. I believe it's +ev according to wizard of odds.

[n2p]

I have the winpoker app for iphone that somebody here recommended. I like that it gives tips but is there one where I can adjust the payout tables and the correct strategy for that?

[tringlomane]

Originally Posted by bandit8402

That's multistrike. I believe it's +ev according to wizard of odds.

No, it's generally not +EV in terms of casinos offering >100% return machines. They may exist in Vegas, but they sure as hell don't exist anywhere else. It is always better to play 4 lines than 1 if you play the game "correctly", however. For example, at 9/6 JoB, the machine returns 99.79% in Multi-Strike mode while normal JoB returns 99.54%. In my area, St. Louis, you probably can't find a quarter machine to pay better than 8/5 though. And doesn't help when now you have to wager 4 times as much while your variance roughly quadruples between the two game formats. So in terms of money, the variance is about a 16-fold difference between a quarter 4-line MultiStrike machine vs. a single line quarter JoB machine.

Also this is a game many people will make significant errors in playing without realizing strategy adjustments. In a JoB game, you should toss a small pair in favor of 2 high cards on either Level 1 or 2. Also never hold OESDs on Level 1 with no high cards; the punishment for failing to make the next level is far too great. A full strategy for this game is shown by the link below.

http://wizardofodds.com/multistrike/appendix2.html

[Poker is Rigged]

Is there a such thing as +EV and high stakes?

I think I heard Shackleford say in a video that +EV VP machines are very low stakes, like 50 cents or so might be the highest stakes. Thinking about it, but if this is true then I'm not gonna waste my time.