Someone asked me, "What if those guys only did non handpays? Just crank your full house up to $450 all day". Something to consider.

I know too many stories of APs ruining opportunities because they decided to skin the sheep instead of shearing it. I've had a couple myself ruined by other people who also discovered them and brought too much attention to it.

I agree. Always assess the profitability if you stretch out the play, as opposed to burning it. I like milking my Las Vegas plays since I live here and I want them to last forever, but if it's somewhere far away I want to burn and churn. But then again the opposite could be true. A real big opportunity in Vegas I show no mercy if it's a limited time offer, and I could be milking an out of state play if there is EV in making it last.

Some examples of what you would milk in Vegas? Obv don't need to give the specific play.


For awhile Molly's had a promo where I think from 2-6pm and 2-6am everyday, quad 5-Ks gave a "wheel spin bonus" average value of $15, and every four to a royal did the same. Game was 25c 7/5 bonus. Due to work schedule and being a broke POS I didn't get to play it much, but I had a couple friends who played it 8 hours a day for nearly a month.

What I'm getting at is, how can you milk something like that that could end at anytime?

I get it with the story of the guy who discovered the glitch, but then he and his friend are literally the only people who know about it.

Yes, go to wolfvideopoker.com. You can download Frugal Video Poker for free. It has Pickem, You can practice and it will tell you when you make an error.

Pickem strategy is not that hard to learn. But just remember that most mistakes you make in Pickem cause a much bigger loss in EV than mistakes in regular video poker. So don't try to play the game to fast.

These two guys really blew it. They were not really professional video poker players but degens who stumbled onto the glitch. It was all the W2-G handpays that got them the scrutiny, hence, busted. They should have never taken any W2-G's. If they would have played quarter denom on Double Bonus then switching up to the $1 level when they made quads, or fh/fl/st up to $5 denom they would have never taken W2-G's. They would still be getting away with it. But they got greedy and went up to $5 denom on quads Aces and stuff.

The whole thing was thrown out of court anyway.

Given all the steps required in converting the payouts, I wonder if it'd be *worth* it just to convert the lower level payoffs that way.

Seeing as they would've been able to do it indefinitely, I would say yes.

I thought the same thing but I am wondering if it required a jackpot in order to retrigure. If not they could have just done it on every hand. Even a quarter trips would net huge money if retriggered at $5.

Definitely not jackpot required. And yeah, they dun goofed.

Amazing they could be so smart as to find the glitch, yet so stupid as to not think of the optimal way to deploy. Just maddening. It's like they worked the most complicated mathematical problem diligently and to near-conclusion, then just said, "ah **** it, let's make up this last part".

People are greedy. Can only imagine how crazy some of their celebration nights were. They have to have gone absolutely nuts.

If you found out a video poker glitch like that, sure, you'd think to yourself, "Ok, I can't be stupid and hit huge handpays over and over and over - I need to do this in moderation."

But at the same time, wouldn't you also be thinking, "What if someone else figures out this glitch too? I need to get mine while the gettin is good."?

That is always the dilemma - do I shear the sheep or do I skin it? It depends on several factors. In this case it's such an obscure glitch that the likelihood of someone else discovering and over-exploiting it are very slim.

First two option are identical same in expected value.


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Depends on the deuces wild game. In NSUD the 3 straight flush cards are much higher.

Okay good. The one I show is standard FPDW


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Had about a 3.3% edge

Wow, never seen a progressive that high (relatively) before. Nice hit!

A 1-card pull, wtf. Congrats.

Really? WOO's calculator seems to indicate 101.03% return with a variance of 180. Sporting a 2% CB/mailer?

But a very nice hit!

Edit: My bad. WOO does list it just shy of 103%. Good going!

That's the 8/6 deluxe at South Point! Nice job. Sick ****ing progressive.

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wow, sweet win!!!

Wow nice one 3% edge omg haha


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Reading that article made me furious. Not only did they not milk the glitch, they even sat next to each other while they did it...

They could have found some random machines at like 7 eleven or something and made so much money.