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12-21-2013 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bef99hwk
Vp is dumb...played a dueces wild progressive and just dw game...lost sixty at quarters. I know, not much...but gets annoying lol going to take it easy as the games are only 97-98% ive found. Still need to practice going thru every pay table and writing down what they are. Casino wont give them out by email lol. Probably stick to BJ again for the time being with occasional vp play. Chance to win more than double your bet is enticing part of vp. I dunno what paytable I was playing. Would be easier if they just changed full house and flush payouts....but nope, they jack with the straight flush, royal with deuce, and other ****...so I will have to get on comp and put into calc. I am pretty sure it wasnt that great lol.
I see you didn't bother to look it up in that table I wrote for you (and others).

But yeah, in wild card games, you pretty much need to look at everything. It's sorta rare when deuces is the best progressive game. I think I have only have seen two occurrences of it in my scouting (98.86% Double Deuces Wild at Resorts Tunica and the former 98.91% Deuces bartop at Tunica Roadhouse). Also if two base games are close (within 0.1 or 0.2%), deuces may be the worse choice for the progressive, because deuces are less aggressive on going for the royal than other non-wild games.

96.77% Deuces ---> Double Royal: 98.71%
96.62% - 6/5 Triple Bonus Plus ---> Double Royal: 98.90%

If you have a smartphone though, just use this to plug in the paytable:
http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...gy/calculator/

Just be aware that it might be technically illegal to use while actually playing.
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12-22-2013 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BradleyT
I don't play VP much but more of this will keep me coming back.

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Just curious - why did you draw the 5th card?
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12-22-2013 , 04:32 PM
Once I had all 4 deuces held I paused, look at the screen to confirm my holds and decided I didn't want to click any more buttons and accidentally un-hold one of them.
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12-22-2013 , 07:03 PM
That's pretty reasonable.
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12-22-2013 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Lattimer
That's pretty reasonable.
Yeah, but still probably safer to hold all 5 if kickers don't matter. I've done it both ways. Never made an error on dealt quads yet, because like he said, I take a decent length recheck before I hit draw/deal.
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12-25-2013 , 07:21 PM
Does anyone have experience with the "Dream Card" option that is available on some Game King machines? I've only seen it one time (Harrah's Rincon) and hadn't ever seen it mentioned in this thread. It was fun to play but I have to imagine it just kills your bottom line.

Also...there is a thread in another forum that covers almost this exact scenario but wanted to get any additional input from the folks in this thread: I'm headed to Caesars in Vegas tomorrow and currently have 13,450 TC for 2013. I would like to bust out 1,000 TC on Friday, get my 1,000 TC daily bonus, and be done with my diamond status for 2014. Any advice on "best" (least variance) way to go about busting out those 1,000 points as soon as possible. I'm willing to spend $1,000-1,500 to get it done. I'd prefer to get it done as quickly as possible and get back to spending the weekend with my family. As far as whether it's intelligent/profitable/wise to be doing this, it's really beside the point. I'm doing it ...

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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12-25-2013 , 07:36 PM
I have played the "Dream Card" machines at Rincon quite a bit.

When I play I usually only play Bonus Poker on it. It even says on the pay table that the Dream Card is more frequent on the Bonus game, JOB, or Dueces game. Yet most people play DDB on it. I will sometimes switch to DDB when I am up a bit. So long story short... If you are going to play Dream Card, play mainly Bonus, JOB, or Dueces.

Have a great time in Vegas! I'll be there for New Years...

Your best bet is to walk over to RIO and find their 8/5 Bonus machines. The Full Pay games at Caesars (are also only at the $5 and up level) award 1 tier point for every $25 bet (rather than $10 on the non-full pay games).

Caesars has a lot of 7/5 Bonus games you can play at $1 level and it shouldn't take that long and shouldn't cost you too much. Heck, you can even play $2 bonus and play 1000 hands with that bank roll...

I am in a similar boat as you... I didn't play at all the first 6 months of this year... I am 30K away from 7 Stars... I got a lot of grinding to do next week!

Only Dream Card win I could find. Never was dealt a Royal, but lots of 4oaK and a few 4A's but no kickers when playing DDB.

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12-25-2013 , 09:03 PM
I'm confused with the $25/tier credit. This is the 2nd time I've seen that in this thread. I thought VP was $10/TC no matter what type of game you were playing. What is the easiest way for me to determine what type of machine gives $10/TC and what gives $25/TC?
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12-25-2013 , 09:07 PM
At Caesars Palace in Las Vegas specifically (and they may have done this at other properties as well), they put up placards explaining this. It is only on the "Full Pay" machines.

The 8/5 Bonus / 9/6 JOB $5 / $10 / $25 machines at Caesars have this and award 1TC / $25 while the 7/5 Bonus / 8/5 JOB $0.25 up to $2 will still be at $10/TC

Really nothing to worry about unless you are playing at the $5 level.
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12-25-2013 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SuitedJunk
At Caesars Palace in Las Vegas specifically (and they may have done this at other properties as well), they put up placards explaining this. It is only on the "Full Pay" machines.

The 8/5 Bonus / 9/6 JOB $5 / $10 / $25 machines at Caesars have this and award 1TC / $25 while the 7/5 Bonus / 8/5 JOB $0.25 up to $2 will still be at $10/TC

Really nothing to worry about unless you are playing at the $5 level.
Thank you. I appreciate the input.
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12-25-2013 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Willing2Die
I'm confused with the $25/tier credit. This is the 2nd time I've seen that in this thread. I thought VP was $10/TC no matter what type of game you were playing. What is the easiest way for me to determine what type of machine gives $10/TC and what gives $25/TC?
Play a few hands of $10 or less per spin. Check the card reader to see whether it takes $10 or $25 coin-in to accumulate one point.

If you don't want to "trip" yourself until you know, observe someone else playing the game you are interested in and see whether it takes $10 or $25 coin-in to accumulate one point. Or pick up an abandoned card and check it with that.
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12-26-2013 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SuitedJunk
Your best bet is to walk over to RIO and find their 8/5 Bonus machines. The Full Pay games at Caesars (are also only at the $5 and up level) award 1 tier point for every $25 bet (rather than $10 on the non-full pay games).
If they are still $10/tier. I sorta doubt it though. VPFree still says the single line 8/5 Bonus for $1 is still $10/tier, but all the other machines are either $25 or $50.

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Play a few hands of $10 or less per spin. Check the card reader to see whether it takes $10 or $25 coin-in to accumulate one point.

If you don't want to "trip" yourself until you know, observe someone else playing the game you are interested in and see whether it takes $10 or $25 coin-in to accumulate one point. Or pick up an abandoned card and check it with that.
All machines that do NOT pay $10 per tier point should have a placard on them saying so without playing anything. However, what you suggest isn't a bad idea either.

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Originally Posted by Willing2Die
Does anyone have experience with the "Dream Card" option that is available on some Game King machines? I've only seen it one time (Harrah's Rincon) and hadn't ever seen it mentioned in this thread. It was fun to play but I have to imagine it just kills your bottom line.

Also...there is a thread in another forum that covers almost this exact scenario but wanted to get any additional input from the folks in this thread: I'm headed to Caesars in Vegas tomorrow and currently have 13,450 TC for 2013. I would like to bust out 1,000 TC on Friday, get my 1,000 TC daily bonus, and be done with my diamond status for 2014. Any advice on "best" (least variance) way to go about busting out those 1,000 points as soon as possible. I'm willing to spend $1,000-1,500 to get it done. I'd prefer to get it done as quickly as possible and get back to spending the weekend with my family. As far as whether it's intelligent/profitable/wise to be doing this, it's really beside the point. I'm doing it ...

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Yeah Dreamcard is rarely mentioned because the paytables aren't generally good (definitely aren't for CET), and the variance is higher.

If you're talking about the thread in LVL, reread my posts. IF Planet Hollywood hasn't replaced them yet (CET is going thru huge VP flux right now, so I can't guarantee they will still be there), I would play 7/5 Bonus w/STP (98.29%) for 10-play nickels/or dimes if possible. What denomination depends on what amount of time you want to spend on this. You could also lower variance even more by not playing STP, but the game only returns 98.01% then.
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12-26-2013 , 05:25 AM
Merry Christmas to me.

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12-26-2013 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tringlomane
All machines that do NOT pay $10 per tier point should have a placard on them saying so without playing anything. However, what you suggest isn't a bad idea either.
Actually, it's the only way to know for certain. But it isn't always necessary. Especially if you trust Harrah's--which I do not, lol.

To give a very recent example, I played vp recently at a place I've played regularly for years but not within the past 6 months. (Not a Harrah's property.) After a while I noticed that my points weren't accumulating as quickly as I thought they should. I checked the rate on the meter, and, sure enough, the coin-in requirement had been raised 20% without the casino giving notice.

Many vp players, including me, have noticed that Harrah's system will occasionally "lose" entire sessions, thus recording 0 points for even very heavy play. That's an entirely separate issue, of course, but one worth being cognizant of.
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12-26-2013 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tringlomane
I see you didn't bother to look it up in that table I wrote for you (and others).

But yeah, in wild card games, you pretty much need to look at everything. It's sorta rare when deuces is the best progressive game. I think I have only have seen two occurrences of it in my scouting (98.86% Double Deuces Wild at Resorts Tunica and the former 98.91% Deuces bartop at Tunica Roadhouse). Also if two base games are close (within 0.1 or 0.2%), deuces may be the worse choice for the progressive, because deuces are less aggressive on going for the royal than other non-wild games.

96.77% Deuces ---> Double Royal: 98.71%
96.62% - 6/5 Triple Bonus Plus ---> Double Royal: 98.90%

If you have a smartphone though, just use this to plug in the paytable:
http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...gy/calculator/

Just be aware that it might be technically illegal to use while actually playing.
I did too! Not specifically while at the casino, but I have looked at the chart a few times. Have a lot of studying to do. It would just be easier if I got the paytables in front of me instead of looking at each machine, then remembering which is which. That calc doesnt work for my android if I remember the link. Nevermind...appears to work. Not sure if u can plug these into app at time on android to get return or not?
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12-27-2013 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bef99hwk
I did too! Not specifically while at the casino, but I have looked at the chart a few times. Have a lot of studying to do. It would just be easier if I got the paytables in front of me instead of looking at each machine, then remembering which is which. That calc doesnt work for my android if I remember the link. Nevermind...appears to work. Not sure if u can plug these into app at time on android to get return or not?
Yeah, I have been drilling paytables into my head the last couple of years. I honestly know them better off-hand than the "Wizard of Odds" does...lol And as long as you have decent internet within the casino, you can do it with your phone on the fly, but it's likely illegal in Kansas.

Does that really matter...eh unlikely. But you can input the game paytable in the bathroom or something if it's a concern. That's what I was doing at Hollywood STL last time when the progressive was sky high. And then just blatantly used it at the bar once I was playing that stupid joker poker...lol Went back one week later, the progressives were at a more normal $1150 and $1090. I think I caught the game on a total fluke at $2150.
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01-01-2014 , 05:54 AM
Used my bi-monthly promo cash ($100) on a video poker machine. Played $.25 single line deuces wild for a little bit and then switched to keno.

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Nice little $3500 start to the new year.
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01-02-2014 , 06:35 PM
I've read in a couple video poker books about them not trusting Indian resort casinos as there is no regulation like in Vegas. They said that the VP machine can be programmed like slot machines on the payout and not base on the payout % numbers.

Is this true and any way of knowing from the machines or casino? I live up in the new england area so only options are these Indian casinos. Thanks
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01-02-2014 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by musha
I've read in a couple video poker books about them not trusting Indian resort casinos as there is no regulation like in Vegas. They said that the VP machine can be programmed like slot machines on the payout and not base on the payout % numbers.

Is this true and any way of knowing from the machines or casino? I live up in the new england area so only options are these Indian casinos. Thanks
All the video poker machines at Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun are Class III. The cards are distributed according to their true probability as dealt from a 52 card (plus jokers if applicable) deck.

In general, if the machine is from a major manufacturer that does business in Vegas, then it will be a fair machine. Ballys, WMS, IGT etc.
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01-05-2014 , 01:42 AM
When I play at a multi-hand machine I play DDB, but at a single-hand machine I play JOB, it's just what I do. Today I played JOB at the VP bar, and twice in a half hour I got AAAA3
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01-10-2014 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bef99hwk
I did too! Not specifically while at the casino, but I have looked at the chart a few times. Have a lot of studying to do. It would just be easier if I got the paytables in front of me instead of looking at each machine, then remembering which is which. That calc doesnt work for my android if I remember the link. Nevermind...appears to work. Not sure if u can plug these into app at time on android to get return or not?
Isn't cborders your other account? Why do you post under 2 accounts?
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01-15-2014 , 03:30 PM
Calling all math wizards. (Tringlomane, Fubb etc...)

Was just at Choctaw for a WSOP circuit event and found a bank of progressive VP machines where if you played .50 per hand DDB with a 9,6,4 pay table and the progressive was up to just over 3K, is that +EV yet? (You could play other games for the jackpot, but I didn't bother to look at the pay tables as I am pretty much an exclusive DDB guy)

I didn't hit a royal sadly, but did manage to hit several nice hands, 4A's w/kicker, 4deuces w/kicker, and multiple other 4OAK's no kicker/regular payout. In about 10 hours of play, I netted a little over 1K, so extremely happy with that.

I would have played anyway, but was curious if I was actually playing with an advantage.

Note: If you played for .25, the progressive was ~1125.00 and if you played for $1, the progressive was ~4500.00. I only saw 2 other players playing for .50 and 3 playing for $1 the whole time. The rest were all grinding .25. Am I missing something here? Or are people just that stupid? (Bank of 20 machines)

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Sorry, no pics. What was I thinking?
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01-15-2014 , 06:42 PM
You can just plug the paytable in with the modified royal payout into a VP paytable analyzer.
http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/analyzer/ should be fine.
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01-15-2014 , 07:57 PM
Knew I had seen one somewhere and spend a decent amount of time on Wizard. Thanks for the reminder Fub!

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01-15-2014 , 10:38 PM
Yeah, barely over 100% it looks like. 100.09% max for a $3000 Royal.

As for the other people. The quarter guys at least avoid a W-2 slash they can't afford to play 50 cents, if quarters pay 9/6 that is. If it is a lower paytable, they don't pay good attention to those either. The dollar guys always play dollars and likely are ploppies that don't pay attention to the meter.

Most people don't care about paytables. And looking at VPFree2, it looks like your game was the worst possible choice according to EV. Best choice was 9/6 Bonus Poker Deluxe at 100.74% max. I'm sure everyone at the bank was playing DDB though, amirite?
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