Anyone help on the above? Also, I am thinking it is time to leave a machine after I get up 50 max bets or so...randomly goes south terribly after lol. Granted I have as much chance htting a hand right after I hit now...but today on an 8/5 I quit a machine after losing 60 on quarters. Move next door to the machine and hit every hand....one pairs, 3oak etc...even hit 4oak twice. Was up 70 then quit down 20 on that machine. Wonder if u should just quit whenever you cant hit a 4oak and getback to even

On a more serious note, anyone have common payouts for most widely used vp games in most casinos? Trying to keep eye out and study for opps, but most of the time u just find ****ty games...so I would like to play the most ev one. I am only lookimg at 3~4k roll, so I would like to stick to quarters. Think I am seeing 10/4 DW, 6/5 bp, 8/5 job? See an absolute ton of ultimates, all stars, then huge sections of double double bonus along with triple bonus

The people on here will say it does not matter when you quit. HE is HE as HE is HE. However, I get what you are saying. There have been so many times where I will have a machine that just seems like it won't loose and then all of a sudden the doomswitch is pressed and I can't even get a pair. Even though it means nothing but I usually take a small break when this starts to happen. Not because I think it matters but because my head starts to think bad things and I would rather just take a small break. Usually I will go the bathroom or grab a drink. When I go back to playing I will sit at a completely different bank that way I don't watch someone hit a royal on the machine that I just left.

Hollywood, you should be able to use that free play on VP. You can in St. Louis. Quit whenever you feel like quitting; it just keeps spitting out random cards at you.

As for paytables, if the paytables are that bad for quarters, you'd be better off shortplaying dollars if you can find that "unknown" 9/7 Double Bonus dollar machine there listed on VPFree2. I never stumbled across it myself, but I didn't check high limit either. If you could find 6/5 Bonus with ultimate x (~97.9% for 3 play) that could be your best choice, but strategy is weird, and the game is swingy as hell.

Here is a list of a bunch of machines by decreasing return. Bonus in quotes means all 4 of a kinds pay the amount listed either 30 or 35. I think I have seen all of these paytables at least once in my life...god, I'm an addict.

Note: Super Times pay adds roughly 0.28% for a given paytable. Double STP adds about 0.5%.

25/15/9/5/3/2/2 Deuces (100.76%)
10/7 Double Bonus (100.17%)
10/6 DDB (100.07%)
40/10/6 DDB (99.96%)
25/15/11/4/4/3/2 Deuces (99.96%)
8/5 Super Aces Bonus (99.94%)
9/5 Triple Bonus Plus (99.80%)
25/16/10/4/4/3/2 Deuces (99.73%)
8/5 Super Double Double Bonus (99.69%)
35/8/5 "Bonus" (99.66%)
9/6 Bonus Deluxe (99.64%)
9/7 Triple Double Bonus (99.58%)
9/6 JoB (99.54%)
8/5 Bonus (99.17%)
9/7/5 Double Bonus (99.11%)
9/6 DDB (98.98%)
25/15/9/4/4/3/2 Deuces (98.91%)
7/5 Super Aces Bonus (98.85%)
8/5 Triple Bonus Plus (98.73%)
7/5 Super Double Double Bonus (98.61%)
8/6 Bonus Poker Deluxe (98.49%)
30/8/5 "Bonus" (98.48%)
9/5 JoB (98.45%)
7/5 Bonus (98.01%)
9/5 DDB (97.87%)
9/6/5 Double Bonus (97.8%)
6/5 Super Aces Bonus (97.78%)
6/5 Super Double Double Bonus (97.69%)
7/5 Triple Bonus Plus (97.67%)
20/12/10/4/4/3/2 Deuces Wild (97.58%)
8/5 Bonus Deluxe (97.4%)
35/6/5 "Bonus" (97.36%)
8/5 JoB (97.3%)
9/5 Triple Double Bonus (97.02%)
6/5 Bonus (96.87%)
8/5 DDB (96.79%)
25/16/13/4/3/2/2 Deuces (96.77%)
6/5 Triple Bonus Plus (96.62%)
9/6/4 Double Bonus (96.38%)
7/5 Bonus Deluxe (96.25%)
30/6/5 "Bonus" (96.18%)
7/5 JoB (96.15%)
8/5 Triple Double Bonus (95.96%)
20/10/8/4/4/3/2 Deuces (95.91%)
7/5 DDB (95.71%)
6/5 Bonus Deluxe (95.36%)
6/5 JoB (95.00%)
7/5 Triple Double Bonus (94.92%)
25/15/10/4/3/2/2 Deuces (94.82%)
6/5 DDB (94.66%)
8/5/4 Double Bonus (94.18%)

Geezus....thanks a lot for the post! Much appreciated!

The comments about hot and cold machines and "jumping" from one machine to another remind me of the guy at the poker table who keeps moving seats thinking the cards are going to change. It's a non-sequitur (doesn't follow).
Same with video poker. But I suppose superstition and gambling always made interesting bedfellows.
What matters is the pay tables, they will tell you everything you need to know about the game your paying. A session or multiple sessions is simply too short term to really tell you anything about anything.

So crazy how they can have a different paytable for same game ten feet away. Multi game king machine is 8/5 in vp cluster of games...then bar literally right behind is 8/6. Do u have to go check every game, even if in row of same games? Or is this uncommon? Is double double bonus too swingy enough to make it worthwhile on quarters? Onky game other than triple bonus that has progressive.

I know of a place with ONE machine with NSUD in a row with twenty other machines with worse paytables.

Well progressives suck at quarters. What about 7/5 JoB with $7900 royal prog? This should add another 2% right? But then I am still worse than standard 8/5. Dump money hoping for royal or bad idea?

What about with 4k gambling roll? Have strategy card so I should play perfectly

7/5 w 7900 royal is a 98.38% game. I wouldn't touch it.

Anybody know of a vp game calculator for android that works well? Wizard of Odds says the plug in isn't supported. Would really be able to help if I could type it while browsing to see what a paytable gets me. Also, does the players club or a slot attendant have access to all of the VP games available (paytables)? Are paytables often changed during slower days or other times of year, or how does that work?

I use winpoker for iphone. you could try to find an android version of that.

Your best bet for finding the best local paytables is checking vpfree2.com. But it's also good to scout for games not listed there.

Not all markets will have playable VP tho.

The more I explore, the more it seems the machines of the same type in the same bank are the same. But not always. For about 6 months earlier this year, Tunica Roadhouse stripped all of their great games and left two machines untouched out of 40 or so they used to have. Those two machines were within a bank of 8 (3rd and 6th machine). They also used to offer 9/6 DDB w/STP, but only on 1-machine, and only for 3-play (5 and 10-play paid 8/5).

DDB...is it too swingy for quarters? Depends on the payback and the amount set for mailer bounceback. But if the game doesnt get above 99%, I doubt I would want to bother with it.

If you need a payback with a particular paytable from your phone, use the WOO strategy maker for it. It covers most variants and is html based so you should be able to access it without a problem. And the added bonus is...it will show you the strategy too! Just be aware that using this while playing is technically illegal in most jurisdictions.

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...gy/calculator/

Paytables at most casinos are rarely changed. Older units have to be opened up for a hardware change to do so.

Generally speaking, I hate to say it, but VP in your area generally sucks, so it will be difficult to find profitable opportunities even with decent promotional offers. If you don't mind -EV recreational gambling, that's cool, but I just feel like I need to reiterate that video poker is sometimes not profitable everywhere. Hell, it really isn't in St. Louis either. But at at least with the machine I target, the "comps" slightly outweigh the optimal house edge. Unfortunately, I doubt it is that way at KS Speedway unless you find some better paytables.

Anyone have general BR guidelines for single line? I found wizard of odds BR play and says you need 60k units with .5% cash back for 5% ruin? This assumes infinite number of plays. Seems a little extreme, but I think I understand what he is saying by these numbers. Fpdw is only 3333 units on same RoR and .25% cash back. Just looking for a game I can play 5k replenishable plus 3k saved on without big RoR but not so low I need to play 1c VP. Also meaning I dont throw money into 99.5% return game but due to size of BR, I cant see the somewhat long term of not evening out. Make any sense? Lol I saw a good provressive on a JoB, but was dollar machine. So while I dont have roll it is meaningless almost that it is 100% returm game for me personally.

Bef99hwk...nothing wrong with taking a "shot" once in awhile. I'm usually a quarter/fifty-cent player but one night decided to take $500 and take a shot at $1 single line 9/6 job. Glad I did, hit two royals within 2 hours. Put me up the entire year. Does not always work out (pot shots, and I don't take them except if I'm really up), but I'm definitely ahead because of them.

At any rate, a total bankroll of 3 to 5 royals for the denomination your playing should be fine. Closer to 5 for high variant games, closer to 3 for less variant games. This is different from "session" bankroll in which you have to figure out how long your going to play and how much you need from going busto.
I found a good guideline for me is $250 for .25, $500 for .50, $1,000 for $1 single line games works for me since my sessions are usually short (1-4 hr).
If triple play, then triple the amount, 5 play, 5x the amount. I don't always follow it to a T. But hey, it's just a guideline.
Cheers
Ps luck is luck, but generally speaking, better to save up a bit and play the dollar games at 100%+expected return, then grinding out quarter games less than 100%. Then again, the games I've been doing well at lately (9/6 job and 9/6 bonus poker deluxe) are 99.54% and 99.64% respectively (not counting slot points) while fpdw 100.76% and double bonus 100.17% have been constant losers for me lately. So I take it all as guidelines.
Pss 2,000 points for 5 dollar cash back is .25%+EV.
ROR is so theoretical it's an exercise of statistics and math more than practical tactfullness. Something interesting to talk about but not practical imo.

Thanks...very useful post. I dont like to get into all the math shenanigans, even as a math guy. Just like to know when I am playing way above limits. Its like in poker when you first started playing a 200 buy in on 3k roll. Didnt know any better but it is what will make you soar if done on occasion. Thanks again.

What was the JoB base table at the dollar level for the progressive? Hopefully at least 9/5? Because the problem with progressives is that they jack up the variance significantly. 8/5 JoB with a double royal would be 99.6% but a variance over 4 times higher than normal! I learned that the hard way last night after I have found the highest progressive I have seen since I picked the game back up...

Day started off pretty good. First hand of the day.



But then I moved to 35/8/5 Bonus for quarters and couldn't get ****. The lady next to me holds AQ hearts and makes a royal, fml.

Then I accelerated my losses yesterday to the worst of the year by chasing a 100.8% quarter progressive at the bar ($2150 royal). The best I have seen since I have got back into video poker the last couple of years, so I felt obligated to try. Lost about $250 on about $1000 coin-in (my usual session amount). And the best game was 2 pair Joker Poker. God that game sucks. I started taking the easy way out on my phone after awhile because I was tired about questioning every 3 decisions and wondering. Best hit...holding Joker-9, which was correct...lol



Bartender also ignored me for 20 minutes, and I move over to the other side with the bartender actually doing work, and some girls (who might have been whores...lol) over there conned me into buying shots for them. They aren't free in Missouri either. I am a stupid idiot.

Can't help you on joker wild. I simply don't play jw because I don't know proper strategy on it.
On another note, my December has been a terrible month...October was great, November I broke exactly even, December was a bust. Still up for the year.
So I'm stepping onthe break pedal for a while until I gather a nice br and planning on battling a nice single line $1 9/6 job progressive that I know of that is close to me north side of vegas.
I'll be playing less often but higher bankroll and bigger game. No more quarters or nickels unless the game is extremely juicy or with a group. But I'll be checking in the thread still once in a while.
Cheers

@tring nice hit on ultimate x..make sure you clear out your multipliers b4 you leave..here in Vegas there are vp scumbags who ride the bus from casino to casino looking for people who leave their multipliers on the machine lol..I hear you can make $4-5/hr doing that..not bad for a homeless person!

Did you miss the part where I said it was my first hand of the day? lol

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lol holding joker-9 please god never let me have to play that ****ed up game

Yeah looking back, I possibly should have taken a lower return option that wasn't such a pain in the ass. I could have probably played 6/5 Super Aces (100.33% w/progressive) 3 times faster to make up for it since I sorta ~know that game. The variance of Super Aces was slightly lower than that 2 pair Joker game too since quints were also worth $1000. I would have settled for that, but no dice.

I like vp. It's fun but nothing I'd try to do seriously.

Vp is dumb...played a dueces wild progressive and just dw game...lost sixty at quarters. I know, not much...but gets annoying lol going to take it easy as the games are only 97-98% ive found. Still need to practice going thru every pay table and writing down what they are. Casino wont give them out by email lol. Probably stick to BJ again for the time being with occasional vp play. Chance to win more than double your bet is enticing part of vp. I dunno what paytable I was playing. Would be easier if they just changed full house and flush payouts....but nope, they jack with the straight flush, royal with deuce, and other ****...so I will have to get on comp and put into calc. I am pretty sure it wasnt that great lol.

I don't play VP much but more of this will keep me coming back.