If you can make a living playing 50c single line 8/5 DDB, you are truly the chosen one.

You are right, I thought about that statement, I don't make a living per say, but a good chunk of supplemental income, thanks for reminding me, I can be a little delusional...between my free play, comps the whole nine, I do pretty good...

Well if a machine like that existed, I would try to hit it fairly hard since 9/5 Super Double Double Bonus would pay 100.77% max! Did you mean 9/5 Super Double Bonus (99.69%)? As for my opinion, I really don't have one because I have barely played the game. But I would pick it over 8/5 SDDB (99.69% also) though because the variance would be lower.

And tongni is right. Stick to things like 9/6 DDB with a progressive vs. 8/5 DDB w/o a progressive for half the wager because your expected loss is less on the dollar machine!

Heading back to Vegas in late November. This thread is getting me excited.

I generally only play 9/6 ddb..with progressive, there are a couple of progressive banks where I play most, and I agree with you my results have been pretty good. On days that I am stuck..I will play the 8/5 ddb 50 cent, and the weird thing is my results have been good there too...I know it's a bad idea to play em, but my options are pretty limited...I will sometimes play with a couple other people for a session, which helps my bankroll. It is in fact Super Double Double Bonus..My casino but a bank of 6 Brand new machines in that are pretty sick...triple double, Shockwave, and Super DDB..I went back today and about puked, I can't even tell you what the pay table was...it was that bad, and explained the loss from the past weekend, I won't be playing them again.

Depending on the jackpot size for 9/6 DDB, 8/5 SDDB may be a better choice. Especially if you can play it for less than dollars because it sounds like you max out your desired session bankroll with dollar play. The meter needs to be about $5300 for 9/6 DDB to match the return of 8/5 SDDB. And at that point the variance of 9/6 DDB is slightly higher than 8/5 SDDB. Progressives get swingy quickly.

I'm not surprised to hear the new machines suck for payback, casinos want those new units to be paid for quickly...lol I'm sure SDDB is 6/5. That paytable actually makes it one of the better nickel games in my hometown (only 6/5 Super Aces is better to my knowledge). But one of the casinos here offers 8/5 SDDB for quarters, so in that case 1 quarter is a better return than 5 nickels...yikes!

It was Actually 7/5...and the w eirdness I was talking about was never getting more then 3 winners in a row...I was playing with a family member, who plays a lot. We would each put a hundred in, and play a game, sddb, tdb, ddb, we tried the shockwave which i have never played...I agree with you, those machines were set to take, I said the same thing, it just didn't feel right...On the ddb progressives at my home casino, it is nothing for particular bank to get up to 6 to 8.5k..soooo juicy...do you have any theories about playing smaller vs. bigger banks for progressive?...

I would love to kick it with that 5 nickle grinder..just for a day, LOL.."for the love of the game"...I have a buddy who rolls that way..I can't even go to the casino with him, I have seen him nail a couple royals on quarter progressive jackpots. LOL, the jackpot was at like 1400, and a couple that must have been playing his machine started bitching at him, calling him a dumbass..it just hurt to see it all go down, I hope you have never seen this..

what are you talking about. You think it is wrong to play a quarter game?

I would hope not; people should first and foremost play what they enjoy and/or what they can afford, imo. The only time I ever go above single line quarters is if I am chasing a loss rebate. I definitely can't afford losing $500+ in one night.

That story is a bit depressing. But that's what uneducated gamblers do sometimes; not sure why they would call him a dumbass though. But the couple yelling at him obviously think they would have hit that Royal if they would have kept playing the unit, which is totally wrong. If they did it to me, I wouldn't be thrilled and would be tempted to argue with them. But they would likely be so stupid, they wouldn't be able to comprehend that I was even right. Hell, my mom doesn't even really believe in the "complete randomness" idea. Paytables are generally set to below 100% levels for a reason...

That doesn't stop some people though. This was on Harrah's Joliet's facebook page this past Saturday. A 9/5 DDB w/STP game (98.14% max). Would have loved it to be me, but I can't even afford $5/round let alone $300.

Wholly crap 300 a pull.

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Just imagine if that dealt royal had also come with an STP 10x multiplier.

I agree with you, and I enjoy playing quarters from time to time, my Grandma is 87, basically taught me the game goes with me and we have a blast, we take turns playing and bicker about hands and holds, but it's fun..SHE WILL NEVER BET LESS THAN MAX no matter what..if she is short, she'll add...if it's time to go, it's time to go...I never say anything about somebody playing short next to me..let alone, berate somebody..still stings to think "what if" they were playing max, to each their own. Tring you are in the midwest? that royal is the nuts man, ugh someday, I had a guy hit a 20k royal next to me on 5 dollar ddb machine, his reaction/freakout/dance was friggin awesome! Game time today, all you can eat crab legs in the player lounge! Impossible to lose today!

I enjoy viewing jackpot photos, but sometimes the pay schedules startle me.

I thought it might be helpful to establish a baseline by posting schedules worse than the ones recently seen in this thread. That way when a new photo is posted, I can console myself by thinking, "Well, at least he wasn't playing 6/5 DDB."

I stole these from another board.

Let's begin with 7/5 DDB Super Times Pay (95.98%):



Next, 94.82% Deuces:



And finally, my personal favorite, the aforementioned 6/5 Double Double, paying a respectable 94.66% for optimal play:



Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

xpc, thank you for making me feel better about my life, lol....those pay tables are criminal, literally!

I'm sure it's never dull playing $1 DDB.

Someone asked about downswings. By my rough calculations, quads or better contribute over 20% to the game's return. Depending on speed of play, one can expect to lose $100 every 5 to 10 minutes between quads. If the quad drought lasts an entire hour, then the loss approaches $1,000. A bad 4-hour session can easily result in a $2,000 loss, allowing for a few ordinary quads sprinkled in.

But of course the good DDB sessions are very good.

more to come..

Crazy hands when you're drawing 3 or 4 man.

This is discouraging to me that I don't draw nearly as well. I'll just pretend that you go through ridiculous downswings so it makes me feel better.

Nice hits though.

Canital. I don't like you.

J/k those are all nice hits. Are you up or down playing VP. Your comps have to be pretty good betting 25 a hand

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Barbiaux, I want to start out by thanking you for starting this thread!!! and the above image is a peace offering...

To answer your question is I am really not sure, probably not lifetime. I know this has been a really good year for me. I only play VP when it comes to floor games, and as we all know the swings are crazy, some of the sickest, hardest, most painful losing gambling experiences I have ever had happened this year as well. I have lost 2700 in approximately 30 minutes playing 5 DDB, so sick how fast it goes...I always have federal withheld, so I usually get a decent return come tax time. My car is paid off...my bills are paid, and yeah I do get a pretty good amount of instant credit, rooms, and I have free meals through 2014...I still feel the pain, I try to have fun, I was playing with 2 other people earlier this year, and WE had the best gambling day I have ever had, a little over 25k, It was awesome...I like to gamble man..I like to make the most of whatever kind of roll I have, and I have found for me, playing VP is where I can scratch the itch, and have a chance at walking away ahead...I have failed and I have won, but there is one thing I can tell you I know for sure, KENO SHOULD NEVER BE PLAYED NEXT TO A VP MACHINE!!! That DING DING DING tilts me so bad...! Just keep it at your day will come!