At the casino I usually play at, they have JOB 9/6 (99.54%) and DBP 10/7 (100.17%). I find myself struggling to decide which one to play and wondered if there were any suggestions, pros and cons, so forth. I want to play at the single line .50c or $1 level and move away from .25c and give fpdw and nsud a break for a while.

If you can play on Betfair they have 100% JoB

Video poker, Online slots will make you lose everything if you dont stop after 1-2-3 big wins. I cashed $10k at Hulk in 2 hours playing 10$ per spin(50 line slot)The hulk rage bonus is amazing you can win big there but comes rare. Anyway after i won this i moved to other games and i had for example 100 spins with no more than 5% back. basically 950$ lost from 1000$ at 100 spins.Slots are rigged.

I heard to stay away from online video poker for money sites, which is what I'm going to do. The programming does not have the same standards as in Nevada. Same goes for Indian casinos as well.
On another note, just dumped $500 on single line .25 fpdw last night after 5 grueling hours of nothing. Even one of the "best" games is no guarantee, that's for sure.

Unfortunately, with finite samples, the best way to predict RoR is to simulate the session on the computer and tally the number of times you "bust" with a given amount. I believe "Video Poker for Winners" has this capability, but I haven't tried the program personally.

I'm still learning and trying to plug the "leaks" in my video poker playing, i.e., playing "stupid" games like 97% deuces hundred play or 98%dream card deuces or dropping some at the craps table, etc etc. Maybe some of you can relate.

For example I'll summarize the last 6 vp sessions I have had. They would of been so much better had I used my brain instead of alcohol supportive dumness and stubburness. All at the same casino.
6th vp session ago (Sep 10) I hit a royal flush no deuce on .25 single line FPDW. Hit it pretty quickly in the first hour and decided to cash out and leave. Up $1,000 and happy, for it made up for some losses earlier in the month and put me up total around $600 for the month of September.
5th vp session ago (Sep15) lost $100 playing .25c single line FPDW for about 4 hours.
4th vp session ago (Sep16) won $2,000 hitting a royal flush on .50c single line JOB. Hit it very quickly in the first 30 minutes saving QJT of hearts, and hitting the KA of hearts. Thank you VP gods.
3rd VP session ago (Sep17). Feeling good about the big hit the other day, played .25 DBP and was up about $200, then got cocky and played Bonus Poker 7/5 dream card .25c three line ($7.50 a spin) and actually did okay, up another $300 dollars. The problem was I got a bit liquored up, and went back to dream card and played their terrible 97% dream card deuces, .25 three line ($7.50 a spin), lost the $500 in profit for that day and an additional $550 loss. Only took probably 2 hours to dump over a grand in that game.
2nd VP session ago(Sep18). Still upset about what I did on the 17th, decided to pull up my boots and played $1 dollar single line DBP. Hit 4 aces early for 800, ended up cashing out a profit of $1100 on the game. Unfortunately, second time shame on me for not learning my lesson on dream card, went back to play bonus poker dream card .25 three line and dumped another $500 before stomping out of the casino mumbling never again. Up $300 for the day.
1st VP session ago (Sep19). Had a grueling 5 hour session of single line .25 FPDW whereas I hit pretty much nothing and dumped $500. For good measure, took my last $80 bucks and bombed it off in about 10 seconds on $1 JOB to tilt it off, and left the casino. Down $580 for the day.
Last night (Sep20). Decided to stop di*cking around and get serious. Went back to old faithful $1 single line Double Bonus Poker (10/7). Was glad I did, hit two quad aces, and a few other things. Cashed out a profit of $1,600 dollars on the machine. Went to play $1 single line JOB (9/6) and made another $400 dollars hitting tons of full houses and a few quads including one aces with a kicker and one threes with the kicker (bitter sweet for those who know DDB and TDB). And refused to even walk towards the other side of the casino where the dream card games where and walked out the door up $2,000.

So a glimpse into my roller coaster life as a part-time recreational vp player. One of my goals is to keep trying to plug the leaks in my game by avoiding the traps of the bigger house favor (fun carnival) games, the other goal is to keep building my bankroll and get to the point that dollar play is the norm for me. I'm still a new dollar player, but not beyond playing .25c and .50c for sure. Looking for good progressives still, none to be had at this particular casino at the moment. And still not the bankroll for dollar progressives yet, but hopefully at some point.
Cheers,
AAdanielAA
P.S. Concerning my session bankroll question earlier, had a good message from somebody that helped me. Basically he sticks to $1,000 for single line dollar game, $500 for single line .50c game, and $250 for single line .25c game. Guaranteeing usually at least 2-3 hours or longer play. Seems reasonable to me, to each their own I suppose. I guess it all boils down to what your going to play (game and denomination) and how long your going to play. I think I'll sort of tweak this to fit my playing bankrolls. Perhaps a bit less bankroll for low variance games such as JOB or FPDW and perhaps these numbers for DBP or NSUD and perhaps a bit more for DDB or TDB.

Must be nice to have a 6 figure bankroll for video poker..u sir are living the dream

Having fun with it, but willing to drop down to quarters again if I don't keep grinding profits. Im Taking advantage from some nice wins recently and playing dollars. Hit a few bumps but doing nicely until last night.

Dropped close to a G last night on bp/nsud. Probably a typical swing for dollar single line, but not willing to keep dropping that kind of scratch consistently. Even while still up a few Gs.
I plan to hit the $1 JOB 9/6 next with about $500 and see what happens. Not afraid to move back to quarters and play some 10/6 ddb or 10/7 dbp.

If there is anybody else who is or was taking shots at the higher stakes of vp, would like to hear your stories.
~Cheers

Well, back to quarters. Never had the bankroll for dollars.

Was just taking a shot but had another losing session playing $1 job and dbp single line. I don't want to give all my profit from quarters away so going back until I hit a few "niceys" then take a shot at .50c.

Well, I am pretty much a STP addict, so that screws me over...lol unless I am visiting Vegas at Gold Coast or South Point. But if you are in Vegas (and it sounds like you are) there are a few places that supposedly have >99% Dream Card. Another bad thing about these games though, variance goes up too obviously.

http://www.vpfree2.com/casinos/by-region/las-vegas.html

I'm becoming less and less a fan of variance. Especially the more I play VP. If I was only going to Vegas to gamble, say, once or twice a year. Heck yes, show me to the nearest STP or dream card triple double bonus. Variance be damned! Let's gamble!
Ironically you mention variance, because right now I'm sticking to the lowest variance game around, 9/6 jacks or better (19.5 variance...in comparison, 100.1 variance for triple double bonus). I've been hoping around lately at NSUD, FPDW (best expected return, but ironically, running terribly at it), dbp, bp, ddb, dream card bp/dw, 100 ply dw/ddb, blah blah.
Anyway, I decided I want to just stick to one game for a while and see how I do for, say, 10-20 sessions. So I chose 9/6 JOB .25c single line (99.54 return, 19.5 variance) game and see how I do just sticking to that. With cash back, slot points, and mailers, should be about a break even game, and x2/3/4/5 point days, positive game).

So minus all the slot points, mailers, and stuff, I'm expecting to lose about $6.25 an hour.

(I play about average 1,000 hands an hour or coin-in $1,250 single line .25c. I use a strategy that returns 99.52% however I don't play perfectly and make mistakes now and again, so will just average that to 99.50%, thus, a loss of $6.25 an hour).

As a side note, I understand the royal flush makes up about 2% of the return, so not hitting a royal, my loss rate should be around $31.25 an hour ($1,250 coin in per hour, minus .50% return plus minus 2% no royal return equals -2.5%, so $1,250 minus 2.5% equals $31.25).
This makes sense for my first session was 2.5 hours long and I lost $87.50. My theoretical loss should of been $78.12. So pretty much on track.

Anyway, if anyone can add, subtract, or correct me on any of this, I'm very open to listening.

I'll post again after 10 sessions of .25 single line 9/6 JOB and let the peeps know how it goes. So far I've played two and it's not going so good.
Cheers

Well, 4 losing sessions of 9/6 job and bored out of my mind (what a grind that game is). I had to just move on. Maybe I'm meant to play different games to make it interesting. I'm thinking of playing either 10/7 dbp, nsud, or 8/5 bp. Any recommendations or pros and cons? No ddb/tdb for the time being Ty.

Are you even close to knowing perfect strategy at all these diff games?

I highly doubt it because he also posts about tiny sample swings (losses) in games that aren't even close to 100% payback even with perfect play as if surprised.

Possibly not, but you do have to play fairly badly to lose a lot of return to errors in many games. I also bitch about running bad all the time (not usually here), but I still realize it's not uncommon in video poker. People who bitch, even myself, need to be reminded that VP is a -EV game ALWAYS when you fail to hit the Royal.


As for the highest paying games to him, 10/7 db strategy is definitely unorthodox though. so many 3 card flush holds. Unless he plays the comp game, I would play FPDW before 10/7 DB.

I like your quote Doug "vp is a -ev game always when you fail to hit a Royal." I was talking a fpdw expert and he says that in order to win you have to hit everything when the probability dictates that you should. To extrapolate Im guessing he means that you have to play near perfect in every hand re:fpdw..but I think what your saying is you can make a handful of button errors and relatively minor mistakes but as long as you play your royal draws and deuces draws correctly thats what really counts and you can still be a profitable player playing like that? After a long losing session I get mad at myself by making a handful of minor errors despite playing all my royal and deuce draws correctly...am I nitpicking at myself too much? tks

Well, in terms of errors what's really important is, the expected return due to errors. You want to have this as high as possible. You can make actual errors 5% of the time, but if your return after errors is still 99.7% of optimal because most of your errors are minor, then you would be playing FPDW with a long-term return of 99.7% x 100.76% = 100.46%, which is still decent. But you make the comment of "button errors". If you are occasionally failing to hold a deuce because of sticky buttons, you really need to work on avoiding that at all costs. If you have never tested your hold accuracy on a computer, test it here:

http://wizardofodds.com/play/video-poker/

Play 500 hands or so, don't allow warnings or hints. After you play about 500 hands or so, look under the stats tab for "Accuracy (in value)" It really needs to be above 99.5% otherwise you'll be bleeding over 2/3rds of FPDW's edge to errors.

tks I tried it out and I was perfect..Ive worked hard on my game and I can play 800hands an hr at .0076% but if i go faster which I sometimes do than thats when I make a few minor errors.

lol, trying how to figure out posting my pics, bare with me...

thoughts on Super Double Double Bonus?..I got crushed this past weekend playing 9/5..for a couple grand, I don't know the session didn't sit well with me, kinda hard to explain, just some really weird draw hands...anyway, super newb, but glad to be here..lived in Vegas for a couple of years, lived in Connecticut for a couple years so I have had my fill of the Sun, and Foxwoods..stories for days..keeping punching is all I can say, you can't lose forever!

Oh yeah, wanted to add this one, so sick too, almost busto, and then they let me wang it..yep this kinda shiz happens!

alot of nice jackpots there..what kind of downswings have you experienced playing $1ddb? I heard from a pro that you can go on -20K+ downers at $1ddb..

It has been super bad at times, I play 3 to four times a week, and I can go from plus 1k to minua 3k from one session to the next...I usually bounce around to couple casinos. I reached the highest tier card level at my "favorite" casino about three months ago...so I find my self paying a lot for crab legs, shrimp, and prime rib...you just have to set limits..that progressive royal was hit on 40 dollars in, it was so sweet to just bounce after that...it's how I make a living, and September was a bad month probably down 4k..atleast..sucks..I keep at it though...