I don't remember. I'm not a very serious VP player. I usually just put $20 in a machine to take a break from the poker tables, but I will look the next time I go.

Hello Boys and Girls,

A buddy of mine was going to Shreveport/Bossier City, LA for a Golf and Gambling trip and asked if I wanted to tag along. So I dialed up the Horseshoe and got a room. Shortish trip. We got in Sunday morning at 10:00 AM and left at 4:00 PM on Monday.

No golf for me and I got destroyed in the pits. I'll spare you the details, but hey, you got to keep those free room offers coming somehow. VP however, was a little different.

All I played was 8/5 Double Double Bonus. Not the greatest pay table, but when you live in an area where there aren't a lot of options within driving distance, you take what you can get.


So to get my feet wet upon arrival Sunday morning, I toss $60 in a bar top, grab a beer and get to work. Looked like it was going nowhere fast until...



Got close to cracking the $100 barrier in about 2 hours of play, but cashed out $70 for a $10 profit and left to grab some lunch.


I played some 'real' poker and degened around in the pits for a while, but it was quickly apparent the maybe I should go chill out and play some more VP.

Put my $70 voucher in what would become my favorite bar top and...



Played a couple of more hours and cashed out $125.


By this time, the boys had made it back from playing golf. So we hit the pits, where my run bad continued, until about midnight. They all had to get some sleep, as they had an early tee time the next morning.

I had no such problem and decided to play a $1 progressive machine. I had cashed my last voucher so I put in $100. The Royal payout was ~5300.



Nothing really exciting was happening after this hand, so I cashed out $300.


Not feeling tired yet, I headed back to my favorite bar top, and put in 100 around 1:30 AM.



Damn It! Where is the Ace of Diamonds when you need it most? But hey, a straight flush is always nice.


Quite a while later after slowly bleeding some of my profit...



No kicker, but again, no complaints here. I check my watch, and it is almost 4:00 AM. I decide to cash out for $275 and stumble back to my room.


I wake at 9:00 AM the next morning, get a shower, check out a grab a quick breakfast. Since I had learned my lesson in the pits the day before, I decide I am going to grind VP until it is time to go and head off to 'my' bar top.

NO! Somebody is on 'my' machine! Damn it. I will just play another one. They are all the same right? Not so much. I played 3 other machines and could hardly sniff J high or better to hold.

In the mean while, the fine gentleman playing 'my' machine hit two 4OAK's. GRRRRRR!!! Being the friendly sort that I am, I had struck up a conversation with him, and told him about the run good I had on it the night before.

Luckily for me, it was lunch time and he left to go eat. He shook my hand and said the machine was all mine. I was skeptical since the machine had just paid some big hands, but this was 'my' machine.


I had lost $100 on the other machines so I started with another $100 here. It was about 1:30 PM by this time, so I only had a little over 2 hours left to play.

That is when the God of Gambooler decided to pull the BOOM switch!!!



No kicker again, but a nice start.


Shortly afterwards I get dealt 4 beautiful cards. Most of you know how this usually turns out.... you get the deuce of not the right suit to go along with it.

It just so happened when I got the hand, the sweetest little cleaning lady pushing a trash can, had stopped by and was talking to the bartender. I turned to her and asked her if she was lucky? She said "I sure am." To which I said "Alright, when I push this button, if the Q of hearts comes up, I will give you $20."



I immediately went into my pocket and paid her off, to which she said "God Bless you sir, God Bless!" For good measure, I tossed a $20 to the bartender, since he had kept me flush with wobbly pops while playing.


After finishing my Royal Flush dance, I gathered myself and played on.



Should I complain about no kicker again?


You are kidding right?



After this 4OAK, I played about another half hour before my buddy came to pick me up and head home. Although no more big hands, I couldn't miss. Need a card for a gut shot straight, no problem. 2 pair, bang, full house. It was crazy.

I ended up cashing out $1450. Most insane run of VP I probably will ever have. Hope everyone enjoyed it.


VP + ~1650.00
Pits - ~2000.00
Beer, Food and Room Equity + ~200.00
Entertainment Value ~Priceless

why are you playing four coins?

He's playing 5 - the minimum for the Royal bonus.

This thread looks dead, but I was wondering if anyone in here has played the southpoint and can tell me if the vpfree site is current? Is the info about the slot club correct

http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/south-...asino-spa/club

it says .30% for cashback and .30% comps, making the NSUD game +EV to play.

Also, if you have been there anyone have any comments on how easy it is to earn free rooms there? And lastly, what is their poker room and sportsbook like?

Thank you for any insight!

Hey guys--if I play 4million hands of 5c fpdw at .0071 I should make $7100 if I run according to expectation. Worst case scenario if I run below ev what percentage of the $7100 am I guaranteed to get? tks

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You're welcome.

It's still 0.3% from what I'm aware of from reading other forums, but it's cash OR comps. You don't get 0.3% of each I think. They occasionally have double point days as well.

Yeah, but it will be somewhat rare for that to happen.

Of course. How would you answer the question he asked?

And we are assuming that anyone who plays 4 million hands of (presumably single-line) 5c fpdw will be able to remain focused and motivated enough to play the correct strategy. I'm not sure that assumption would be remotely accurate.

It wouldn't be for me. Or I would need to go to GA I think.

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And we are assuming that anyone who plays 4 million hands of (presumably single-line) 5c fpdw will be able to remain focused and motivated enough to play the correct strategy. I'm not sure that assumption would be remotely accurate.[/QUOTE]

I plan on doing this starting in September..Im a little worried though because in the past 3 months Ive gone on a 3 royal downswing at 5cfpdw got out of it in 2 days and have immediately gone on another one..and I have played at .0072..according to Doug this should happen only 5% of the time. Well I just did the 5% twice!

I talked to a vp genius and he told me this:
fpdw(w/0.71 edge)
no cb or mailers
after 4m hands(1m c/i on 5c)
50% w/in .21 (+/-)
20% .21 to .52 above
5% .50 to 1.17 above
20% .21 to .52 below
5% .50 to 1.17 below Hopefully this won't be me gl to me and I hope I dont go broke! My vp roll is at $3,500

lol what

cash back or mailers(casinos in Vegas mail you stuff that gives you free play)

Thanks for the info. Makes sense you spend your points for cash or food/rooms/etc. Makes it barely EV to play then assuming perfect play. Overall a good value then right? Are there better alternatives, like the Palms maybe?

I think he knows what they are and is implying that its ridiculous that your play will not generate any cashback or mailers. This is where 100% of the money is in VP.

I know what it means. You're mentally ill if you aren't playing with a card.

Yeah, there are better moves probably. Are you just visiting, or a local? Some things are going to be easier if you are local; particularly things like offstrip promotional deals. With Palms, if you have never become a club member, and plan to be in Vegas a few times over the next year, you should look to see if the "loss rebate promo" is still active for new members. It will likely be more valuable in the short term although you can't play games like FPDW for the promo. They aren't publicizing it on their website I don't think, so I hope it isn't gone.

Also at Cosmo, they offer a $100 loss rebate that may be redeemed immediately. And from what I have been told, this can be redeemed once by either new or existing members. Now the best VP costs you $25/hand in the high limit room, but it's a "free" crack at winning. And when I did this on my last visit, they had a 100-play penny machine that offers 7/5 Bonus Poker (98.01% max) with no minimum bet requirement. It's a good unit to play if you would want to recoup most of your losses from the free play. I would definitely try this one if you haven't already.

Tropicana also offers a slot/VP rebate for new members, as does the Plaza/Las Vegas Club, I believe.

Thanks for replying tring.

I am not local, only visit Vegas infrequently. Have done the Cosmo promotion already last time there.

Also already have a Palms card. Where do I find the info about the tropicana promo?

Also, do you have a program that can give the ROR probability given specific bankrolls before reaching a specific number of hands? If so, would you mind running a sim for JoB, $1 full pay machine?

I need to play 30,000 hands. What bankroll would I need to feel safe that I would not bust out? Also, given say, $1500-2000-2500 bankroll, what is the probability of ruin before I reach my goal? Maybe those are the same questions ha? If not, do you mind answering them, or telling me how to find the answers myself?

Thanks!

I started this thread over 2 years ago. I went back and re read the first few pages and had a good laugh. I stopped counting how many hands I played at the end of last year but I would say it was close to 200k and today I received my first royal. On a progressive even

Congratulations Barbiaux! I think you've topped me in at least two important categories.

I've never hit a royal with a purple background. Is that possibly associated with Harrah's? I know Harrah's uses a lot of purple in its casinos.

And I'm not sure I've ever hit a progressive royal between $1,000 and $1,200. If I did, I would be annoyed that it was a hand-pay, but at least you didn't have to wait for a W2G.

no it is Meadows casino in Washington, PA. I am not sure why it is purple. There are 10 progressive machines and some are purple and some are not. None of the other VPs are purple in the casino.

The first thing the attendant said was, That is awesome you won't get a W2G. When he walked away I was a little confused because I saw that I had $1224 in credits and I thought I was going to get one over $24.

It was also 2 AM so a slot person was there in about 3 seconds and the computer system that they use was right next to the bank of games.

Nice hit! I'm looking forward to my first royal. No offense but hope I don't have to wait 200k hands ha.

I'm wondering if someone really knowledgeable can help me out...

My casino has a DDB machine that supposedly returns 99.98% (1,1,3,4,6,9,50,80,160,160,400,50,800) with perfect strategy. I'm fine taking on this -EV, since I'd be playing mainly for comps and status. The problem is, the state taxes a flat 5% on all jackpots over $1200, which you can NOT write off losses against! What I need to figure out is how many +$1200 jackpots can I expect over 40K spins playing a $1 machine. I'm trying to figure out what it figures to cost me to run $200k through this machine. So EV from play would be -$40 and taxes would be ?? Can anyone help me? Thanks.

You're only going to get taxed when you hit 4Aw/234 ($100) and Royal ($200). Royal probability is 0.0025% and 4Aw/234 is 0.0062%. In 40k hands you'd expect to hit 1 Royal and 2.5 4Aw/234.

Expected taxes are $450.

I am not an expert on taxes but wouldnt they be more than that. A 4k royal even at 10% would be $400 alone.

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