Haven't been there recently, but it was on the 50-plays in high limit, and according to vpfree2, it's also available on the machines with Spin Poker, in high limit.

Do you play at Cherokee? That's the best machine there 99.7%, I believe. Yea ask in the poker room. One guy got well over 100K tier pts, when it was still 100k for 7-star, and got denied.

Much easier IMO to get 7 star now with the bonus. I got 16,500 in a day and half with out too much risk. Several guys are paying a seven star member for a companion card. Cherokee has the most seven star players of any harrahs property.

A nice hit a few back...also trying to figure out how to upload pics for future TR.

Awesome hit. You got the best hand on the highest multiplier.

I always end up getting 4A's low kicker on any game BUT DDB....

Nice hit!!!

Unfortunately, I also have that problem. In the past year I have hit this at Deuces and Bonus Poker, but not DDB.

@tring and others who play frequently,

does it ever tilt you when you play a machine for a significant amount of time, can't hit any big pay hands so you sit at another machine next to or nearby the original one..and someone immediately sits down and hits four deuces or a royal on the machine you played a long time on?

Just so you know, the rng is such that unless you had pressed deal and draw at the exact same millisecond that the other player did, you wouldn't have has those hands.

You know, with knowing all the rational info (nobody is due for a royal, every hand is independent) I still do bonehead moves like switching machines, cashing out and reinserting players card and putting cash back in, and other superstitious things.

I seem to be on the other end of what you described. I'll roll up at a seat somebody was at and start hitting crazy hands, but when I give my seat up nobody hits anything. Only happens on the 1c 50 play JoB though

i've seen people do things like cash out vouchers, put new vouchers in, insert/reinsert players cards, all sorts of weird ****. what's the logic behind this?

Several reasons:

Cashing out vouchers and putting new ones in: Usually this person has a win/loss limit on the voucher, and wants to put in a new one to "preserve" the previous voucher. Doesn't really mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Inserting/Reinserting players cards: This can go both ways. The main reason is that they want to keep big wins off their record so they show as a loser instead of a winner. I heard this is 86able so it might not be a good idea to card pull on 4 to a royals or 3 of a kinds.... Some people just do it for luck, pulling the card after the hand is over.

Most people just play to hit the big one and leave, so a lot of times I see people playing one hand and moving on to the next machine for the entire row. When I was playing the JoB progressives I could see the people who knew how to play were sticking to 1 machine, and the casuals would move one to another to find the "lucky" one.

The so-called logic is superstition or mis-information, but it is generally based on the belief that whatever they are doing is "out-smarting" the machine. But in reality, what all these things have in common is that they reduce the players' hands/hour, which in turn reduces their overall rate of loss. That may help to reinforce to the players how "effective" their techniques are.

My personal favorite is someone who puts a $20 bill in, hits a big hand, cashes out, puts the ticket in their wallet/purse, puts another $20 bill in, and repeats the process several times. Sometimes one of these players runs out of $20's and then proceeds to put in the vouchers

An exception to your examples is that sometimes the removal/re-insertion of a player's card can verify to the player that he is actually being credited with the points that he should be earning. I am guilty of this myself at certain venues where I have been shorted in the past.

well yeah i know it doesn't actually accomplish anything, i was just wondering what the thought process behind the whole voucher shuffling ritual was.

Yes, you are absolutely correct for almost every machine on the gaming floor today. I have read the oldest units pick the 10 possible deal/draw cards at once, but most machines no longer do that. However, it would still piss me off and/or frustrate me a bit. You can make fun of me for that at the poker table next time for this (hopefully a little less than 3 weeks).

When I got my only royal in Vegas on Presidents' Day 2012, with nearly a busted roll, I was staring at Flamingo pleasure pit boobs for cheap...lol So when I hit those 6 simultaneous penny royals for $40 each around 11pm, I have occasionally thought about all the events that day that helped lead to that since then. This includes not eating all day until ~9pm that evening. Vegas!!!

And as dj said for vouchers, it's usually a money management deal. Many players do this.

As for pulling the card out, I have heard it doesn't work for modern machines. It probably holds your card info until the hand is completed. It definitely should anyway.

A cordial but not overly friendly professional vp player told me the fact that you experience hot and cold cycles while playing vp proves that the rng is truly random..can someone explain this to me?

I've be focusing on doing this type of thing more recently. Last night this guy was playing dw on the same machine for hours and couldn't hit anything. He eventually gives up and I immediately sit down in his seat..After 10 hands of nothing I hit 3 wild royals and 4 deuces in a span of 50 hands..I would like to believe that this guy played through a cold cycle and warmed up the machine for me lol

he's dumb.

not having streaks would come pretty close to proving it's not random though.

Best feeling is to do a hit and run on a progressive. Make everyone around you mad and frustrated while you skip away with the loot lol

As Jackie says, this means nothing. A non-random machine can be designed to have streaks as well.

most ppl in casinos are dumb about gambling, especially an old school vp grinder

I have a question about the "Winning Streak" video poker machines.

Let's say you're playing Jacks or Better and you already have a big winning hand like 4 of a kind, it is now more important to get any winning hand than it is to hit another big winner because of the multiplier. So in this scenario if you get dealt 4-4-8-K-Q would it now become better to keep the KQ than the 44?

This makes no sense, and I don't understand people who play VP who are dead serious in believing hot and cold cycles. I joke about it from time to time with other players and they do too but we all know the RNG is working as intended.

Funny thing is that those people who believe in it still are playing the machines when they feel it is unfair. Another funny bunch are the people who complain they never hit anything and still end up putting money in the machine

I had a question about maintaining a good record by not just playing on multiple point days, or just playing through freeplay and leaving. What's a good amount to play through to not get flagged? Some casinos I employ a scorched earth policy but some I want to make sure I can play there as long as possible. For example no other casino allows me to play with an edge (pretty small but anyway) other then South Point with NSUD + 0.3% cashback, but I want to run through as much coin in as I can during a double point day.

Yes you should keep KQ in this spot.

Probability of a winner with KQ: 6164/16215 =0.38014
Probability of a winner with 44: 4656/16215 = 0.28714

So even for the minimum possible level up: 1X to 2X the value of the quads looks like this. Numbers are based on "for 1" payouts. Game takes five of these units to play (25 credits).

KQ: (25)(0.38014) = 9.5035
44: (25)(0.28714) = 7.1785
Difference: 2.325

And this doesn't even include future equity from successfully moving up.

Now obviously we are sacrificing equity on the base hand, but it's much less valuable than the four of a kind waiting to move up:

KQ: 0.4948
44: 0.8237
Difference: -0.3289

Sum of KQ vs. 44: 2.325 - 0.3289 = 1.9961

Now if your made hand was three of a kind instead, and you're only moving up from 1X to 2X, it would be much closer.

KQ: (3)(0.38014) = 1.14042
44: (3)(0.28714) = 0.86142
Difference: 0.279

KQ: 0.4948
44: 0.8237
Difference: -0.3289

Sum of KQ vs. 44: 2.325 - 0.3289 = -0.0499

Now it still might be that KQ is a better play because of future value of multipliers, but I can't quantify that very easily. Regardless, 44 vs KQ would be a close play if you only had trips one level above.

Unfortunately, strategy for this game is going to be ultra complex and completely dependent on the value of your previous wins and what multiplier state they are in. This strategy will be much more complex than multi-strike poker and Ultimate X Poker. The Wizard of Odds even has yet to complete a game return analysis, let alone a strategy.

I would avoid playing this game seriously in most cases due to its difficulty. But I will admit, it's fun to play though. Just avoid pulling this off while messing around with the game for "play money"...fml, fml, fml, FML!!!

tringlomane, Thank you so much for your insight. I had the dilemma of having 4 of a kind on the 5X pay line and got the exact hand I mentioned 4-4-K-Q-8 at the Showboat in AC and the math I did in my head was that if I keep the 4-4 I have 2 outs on the first card, 5 on the second and 8 on the third 2+5+8 = 15. If I kept the KQ then I had 6+6+6 =18 plus the slight chance at a straight, so I kept the KQ.

Of course I ended up drawing a small pair, but I was still pretty sure I had played it right.

Also, on Players Life the game does not work correctly. When you win more than 4 hands in a row it only credits you for the last 4 hands you've won. I just sent them the following email....

"I discovered a flaw in your "Winning Streak Poker" online game.

When you get a winning streak of 5 or more you do not get all the credits that you have coming to you.

On the left where it says "Total Won" under streak hands it says the right amount, but it only gives you credits for the 4 hands that are still showing on the board.

For example, what this means is that if you win 7 in a row you don't get paid for the first 3 hands you won, only the last 4.

I really enjoy the game and I hope you fix this soon."

Thankfully this flaw does not exist when playing the game in the casino.

Yeah alot of people can't separate emotion from logic re: vp machines and hot and cold cycles..
What casinos have you been flagged at?..any in Vegas b/c I haven't heard any stories of that happening in Nevada.

Yeah the play money game has been buggy from the get go. I was playing "Not So Ugly Ducks" game in that shot partly because it seemed the least buggy of all the games I tried. It usually banks when playing that game, but not others.

Just curious, do you remember the paytables in AC? At least 8/5 I hope? Preferably 9/5. I'd be shocked if they were 9/6. They are quite poor in Tunica and Hammond, IN. Another reason I would tend to stay away from this game.