Actually as low as 25p.

Bump.

Some Double Super Times Pay porn. Hit this at Harrah's STL tonight, and iirc, the multiplier showed up after I held the 3 deuces. This is why I became readdicted to video poker!

Arrived at horseshoe southern indiana at three am played 9/6 job was excited to finally play it,however it could have been 80/90 since i didnt get a single flush or fh. I was only there for great race on the way to tunica was down 120 playing .50 then got 2 4ok in a row on ddb. Ended up $116 at graceland now trying to type on phone then going to tunica

Gl in Tunica. Remember Tunica Roadhouse and 99.96% 10/6 DDB! Straight flush only pays 40 instead of 50 because in Mississippi, +EV video poker is illegal, bastards...lol

There should be dozens of machines in the middle of the video poker area. They will also have 99.96% Deuces as well 15 5ofaK/11 Straight Flush.

They have a total of 8 full pay Deuces wild progressive as of today .25 single card only. They are hidden away behind the stairwell leading up to the new poker room. I'll sit there with my Wizard of odds cheat sheet and grind while waiting for my poker seat.

They're the best VP in the house IMO, and unlike Vegas, Tunica, AC, the VP at the bar offers some of the worst payouts.

"Full Pay Deuces" and "Progressive" simply doesn't exist in the same game. Full Pay Deuces already pays above 100% without a progressive. Full Pay Deuces pays 100.76%; no way an Indian tribe would allow this without some major math screw up. Is the only progressive payout for the Royal? List the ENTIRE paytable if you get the chance. I'd like to know personally.

For a progressive Deuces Machine, this is the best I have seen on 5 credit basis:

Hand	Payout
Natural Royal Flush	Jackpot
4 Deuces	1000
Wild Royal Flush	125
5 of a Kind	75
Straight Flush	45
4 of a Kind	20
Full House	20
Flush	15
Straight	10
Three of a Kind	5

With the Jackpot at the minimum $1000 (4000 quarters), this pays back 98.91%. To my knowledge, this exists both at Tunica Roadhouse and Ameristar Kansas City with both games being at a casino bar.

I want to be able to play 1000 hands an hr. at over 100% payback ddb. The hands that seem to slow me down are the ones where the correct play is to hold a gutshot straight no high cards. Alot of times these gutshot straights are difficult to see within 3 seconds So if I ignore these types of hands, dont hold anything and just press the draw button will this leak make me an unprofitable player assuming I play everything else correctly? tks.

Are you referring to 10/7 Double Bonus or 10/6 Double Double Bonus?

You wrote DDB, but you have always asked about DB in the past.

In DB, not holding a gutshot is a significant mistake since it pays 5 for 1 on the straight. Not doing so costs you up to 12.5 cents each time on a quarter machine. And at 1000 hands/hr, you would be only making $2.09/hr on average following perfect basic strategy. The situation doesn't come up enough to eat your entire profit, but it would put a solid dent into it.

In DDB, it matters much less since a straight only pays 4 for 1.

I was referring to DDB, appreciate it..glad it matters less

Yeah, not making this play only costs you ~1.73 cents per hand on quarters or ~6.95 cents per hand on dollars at 10/6 DDB.

The only bad thing is 10/6 DDB only returns 100.067% with flawless play. So at 1000 hands/hr at quarters, perfect play earns only 83.75 cents/hr at quarters or $3.35/hr at dollars.

The problem is, I'm not too sure how often this scenario comes up on the deal.

I'm going to try to do some quick math here:

4 to a Straight
2346; 2356; 2456; 3457; 3467; 3567; 4568; 4578; 4678; 5679; 5689; 5789;
678T; 679T; 689T

All of these combinations have 3 or 4 ranks for the 5th card that keeps this the best play. 52 total rank sets for these 5 cards.

Now for any given 5 ranks (e.g. 34679) there are 4^5 = 1024 ways to arrange the suits. We need to avoid flushes and flush draws.

Flushes: 4 ways (hearts, diamonds, clubs, spades)
Flush draws: 5 ways to choose four suited cards*4 suits to choose from*3 ways to choose other suit for 5th card = 60 ways
Straight Flush draws (not always applicable): 10 ways to chose 3 suited cards*4 suits to choose from*9 ways to choose suits for other 2 cards = 360 ways

Straight flush draws make it more complicated since if we have a hand like 23467: and if either the 234, 236, 246, 346, 347, 367, or 467 are suited, then we need to take out the 3 to a straight flush draw possibilities. 237, 247, and 267 would be the only possibilities to ignore the 3 suited likelihood. So then we have to weight all the possibilities appropriately. If we do this (math is messy and I hope I didn't do it wrong and i'm not going to show it here). The probability dealt the gutshot only with no better play available is 1 in 65.83.

Unfortunately this is a higher probability than I thought. With such a small +EV return for DDB, ignoring this play also cuts into your profit more than I would have initially guessed. Each error costs only 6.95 cents per occurrence on a dollar machine, but you will now see a gutshot draw with no better play 1000/65.83 = 15.19 times per hour. So this would eat into your hourly profit for dollars by 6.95c x 15.19 = $1.05575/hr. Reducing your profit on a dollar machine from $3.35 to $2.29/hr or a reduction of 31.5%.

The error cost is probably more significant than the rate that you can speed up your play, is ignoring this play going to allow you to go 31.5% faster? Also what I would worry is, is that if you start ignoring hands like 4568T, are you also going to ignore holding for to a 4 gutshot with QJ985? If so, then your error costs go even higher! For 10/6 DDB to be +EV for anyone, you have to have basic strategy down cold! It is so little above 100% return, 100.067%.

If you're in Vegas and are looking to play +EV machines, you're much better off finding a full-pay dueces machine and play that. 1000 hands/hr at a quarter machine yields $9.50/hr longterm given perfect play. And the variance is significantly lower than Double Double Bonus.

wow..tks for the eye opener! Im going to learn how to play deuces now.

@Tringlomane or other deuces wild experts: assuming all you guys play deuces at or over 1000 hands an hr. do you use a simplified strategy like always holding AK2s and
KQ2s or have u memorized all of the penalty and suited, unsuited, 1st and 3rd, 1st and
2nd discard exceptions that it takes to play optimal?

Considering FPDW does not exist in my area, no I don't have it memorized. I have basic strategies memorized for the games I play. I really haven't bothered learning too many penalty exceptions though. I don't have +EV machines in my area, so I just play for "fun".

It is much, much more important to have basic strategy down cold instead of worrying about penalty cards.

Return of FPDW given perfect play (knowing all penalty exceptions): 100.762%
Return of FPDW following the best strategy that ignores penalty cards: 100.7575%

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...5-d-200-d-800/

So if you play at 1000 hands/hr, ignoring penalties (but otherwise playing perfectly) earns you $9.469/hr. Playing flawlessly earns you $9.525/hr. So ignore them because if learning them slows your hand rate down even by 1% it isn't worth it. It's much more important to make sure you don't make basic strategy errors while playing this quickly.

that's great to know that I don't have to learn all of those penalty situations!

i got 406 correct and counting on the winpoker app, any records out there?

437 was final total, messed up As QTc 642

Kept AQ instead of QT suited

Depends on which game you are playing. Based on the above, I would assume you are playing JOB.

With that said, I have played over 400,000 hands since resetting stats on DDB with 99.6% correct, but have not looked at streaks without an incorrect play. Plus, some of the plays are very marginally correct, which is the way to play to maximize EV over the long run, but not necessarily correct when playing for real money.

I have hit 3 Royals on the winpoker app over this sample size, which is well below expectation. However, I have hit 3 Royals playing live in a much smaller sample size. Reason being, when it is a relatively small "incorrect" play, when playing live, I go for the Royal instead of the correct play.

Sounds like you are well ahead of 99% of the VP players out there. Keep it up and I hope you run well next time you get to play live!

aight cool thx. i meant streaks w/o mistakes

j or b is the game

I was playing vp and these hands happened consecutively:
Hand 1
dealt: AcKcQcTc7h
Hand 2
dealt: 1010336
Hand 3
A2345
Hand 4
dealt: AcKcQcTc7h
Hand 5
dealt:1010336

Any validity to these re: this machine not being completely random? btw I missed both royal draws at $1 ddb...barf..

If the casino could make the machine non random, it's very unlikely they would deal you five positive ev hands in a row. I don't know why you would see it that way.

I was wondering if anyone knows of a legitimate place online to play real money video poker for a US player, preferably that lets you practice for free in the same client. And if not, what are some good sites to get an authentic experience online for fun? Thanks.

If it's non-random, it being positive ev deal to start doesn't mean much. The exception is the dealt straight. (Profit of 15 credits) But, nevertheless, this still isn't enough data to be questionable.

AcKcQcTc7h is the strangest, but seeing the exact same deal within the next 4 hands is about the probability of a dealt royal, 1 in 649,740. If you got a dealt royal, you would never question the machine's randomness, would you, bstill? Unfortunately, quirky near misses like this happen, a lot.

At fallsview last night playing ddb and my girlfriend gets dealt 4 aces twice in 6 hands. That was a little odd.

I got this at a DDB with a random matching card bonus as well:



Was down $300 and played on my next $100. Set a stop loss for $600. Filling out a W2-G is a pain in the ass. All in all played about 20 hours total for my first royal.

Nice hit, but I would recommend never playing that again for quarters. Class II video poker doesn't deal from a fair deck and likely pays back ~92% instead of the 99.52% the game implies. The match card feature is a common sign for Class II video poker. You were likely destined for a $1250 payout no matter what you did in terms of strategy. This includes holding all 5 cards on the deal; the match card would have magically awarded you $1250 if you held a losing hand. I'm guessing you were playing in a state where traditional video poker is illegal (New York would be my first guess due to its population).