Lattimer is right on the math.

Natural Royal Flush Draws on average never pay more than 100 credits for a 5 credit wager given the standard 4000 credit RF payout. I have yet to see a DW game that doesn't pay at least 100 credits for a Wild Royal and hope I never do.

I got this in Tunica last Sept. I think I waited 3 minutes before hitting the draw button because I wanted to take a chance at $200 vs. a meh $6.25. But I also knew that cost me ~$1.50 in EV, so I didn't do it. But $6.25 can easily be eaten away, and I ended up losing on that machine.

Sorry, man.

Found some good 9/6 Game King machines down at the Hard Rock Punta Cana in the Dominican Republic so if anyone's in the neighborhood......

I wouldn't automatically assume video poker machines in the Dominican Republic would deal like Class III machines. It's a good find if they do though.

Went to Winstar tonight. Took a look at various machines, and dipped my toes in the water. Managed to have a decent run, though I probably mad a few mistakes and went to cash out at one point and was unable to - probably because I was in the middle of a hand. I'm a bonehead sometimes. But it was... interesting. Can't find anything about how much points my play would have earned me. Also, could they put the full pay machines any further from the poker room? I checked one of the bartops by the poker room - 7/5 JoB, ELL OH ELL!

Finally got to play a 9/6 JOB machine. I was excited until I realized you had to play 10 credits. I figured what the hell, this just means I will win more. Well I didnt, in fact I blew through $100 in about 11 min. When I finished I realized I could have made it a $0.05 machine instead of $0.25. Owell lesson learned.

You could make it nickels (for 10 credits?) and it was still a 9/6 paytable? What casino are you at? Sorry you apparently didn't win a hand at quarters (or you play really, really fast).

And hime, it's terribly standard in the Midwest for machines at the bar to suck. 6/5 Bonus > 7/5 JoB, fwiw.

I was at Bally's. I never looked at the paytable for the $0.05. I just assumed it would have been the same as the $0.25. Do they change the paytable for a different demon on the same machine?
I did get a full house 1 time so the 90 credits was nice but other than that it was horrible. I may have exaggerated 11 min and I was broke but it was pretty damn quick. It was well under an hour. I was going to try again but I was pretty dejected after losing a $100 so quickly when I played the ghost busters machine for almost an hour with $10.

Yes. Almost every time.

worst run i ever had at 9/6 JoB was losing 42 bets in 101 hands at $5/hand. wouldve been losing 44 bets in 100 hands but i accidentally played an extra hand and hit trips.

When it's a full pay machine, definitely.

And according to vpfree2, Barbiaux, it looks like 9/6 is only at quarters or higher.

Also vpfree2 says that all other Caesars properties in AC have 9/6 JoB for just 5 quarters a hand (color me surprised), so keep that in mind for future visits.

I was trying to look at that site on my phone but my internet was bot cooperating next time i will plan it better

Is there a site to calculate what progressive effect is on 9/4 or 8/5 or similar?

Also, Android apps - any yet? I have a new, Android-running toy. Curiously, nobody has heard of the Google Nexus 7 somehow?

What's 9/4?

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...gy/calculator/

This will calculate the return of the game AND give you the strategy for it.

But remember that inputs for this are in 1 credit wagers. So if a quarter progressive is at $1400, then the input for the royal flush needs to be $1400 x 4/5 = 1120 for 1.

As an example, here are some expected progressive returns for a $1400 jackpot (excluding taxes) based on game type:

9/6 JoB: 100.41%
9/5 JoB: 99.30%
8/5 Bonus: 100.01%
9/6 DDB: 99.86%
9/5 DDB: 98.74%

If you just want to more quickly know the return, use this:

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/analyzer/

This enters payout as 5-credit wagers as a default. So $1400 = 5600 quarters

A typo that I have no idea how I made since I thought I was typing carefully...

Obv not in a casino, and I don't think open to Americans, but if you can access Betfair you can play zero JoB (i.e. with no house edge).

976 for 1 for the Royal...lol And the return is 100.0000% with perfect play, wow.

And you can apparently play this for as cheap as £1 too.

Just joined today and obv haven't read through all 30 pages of this thread so I apologize if this has already been said but full pay deuces wild is 100.76% return I play part time usually about 15-20 hours a week and I can play about 1200 hands per hour. That only comes out to $9/hour. But you also earn points on your card which can be used for free play although on the full pay games you only earn 1/4 of the points as a regular machine. I earn a bit under $1/hour in points. They'll also send you free play in the mail. With the amount I play I get $200/month ($20 ten times).

Overall you can't make a living but its a nice side income. Beware though, even on full pay machines you can go through some horrible downswings. My worst one to date was $3000 but overall I'm up $4000 since I started keeping track in April.

Good luck at the machines!

I thought most of the FPDW machines in vegas were programmed to be slow or the old coin dropper slow machines. Where are you playing to get 1200 hands an hour?

Station casinos. I play at green valley ranch. Cards get dealt at a pretty good speed but at red rock you can manually adjust the speed to go even faster. I find I make a few more mistakes if I try to go any faster though. At 1200 hands per hour I usually catch myself making 1-2 mistakes per hour usually as I'm hitting the draw button.

15-20 hours a week at $9/hr on FPDW? what denomination are you playing?

i'm in vegas several times a year, and frequent the green valley and palace station high-limit rooms. so far, i'm up about 8k playing $1/coin bonus poker quick-quads with the wheel topper.

I play quarters. That's as high as you'll find fpdw. They have 50 cent and dollar db and ddb but they're only 100.1% so quarter fpdw is higher return per hand. Plus I don't have the proper bankroll to play higher denomination anyway. Fpdw you need $13k for a 99.97 chance to avoid going bust. I imagine dollar ddb is probably 5 or 6 times higher than that.

Oh the difference between EV and realization.

9/hr is a theoretical, which is the correct way to think about it.

Also it sounds like darkcube is playing a -EV game before comps (unless the pay table is more generous than I expect). Also quick quads is a more difficult strategy than FPDW. Still nice to be up though.