Hi all,


Whenever I'm at the casino I always see random Asian's placing chips all over the place. Some spins, they may lose a couple of hundred, but they always end up getting back even or winning a significant amount.

I'm think there has to be a strategy to this and some sort of method for the crazy. Can anyone offer me any advice for my first go at it, or point me in the right direction?

Cheers

Just luck, everybody loses on long term

There has to be some sort if strategy to reduce the casinos edge - just like counting card. I'd imagine it would be a betting system the cost a lot, but provided the greatest payout if hit

There is no betting strategy in any fixed-odds casino game (roulette, craps, etc) that can alter the house edge at all. The house edge is totally controlled by the game rules. Blackjack is not a game of fixed odds, and the edge changes with the deck stub composition (but not with betting strategies).

Casinos get rich off people who think betting strategies matter.

The EV of a series of bets is exactly the sum of the EVs of the individual bets. And the proportionate [dis]advantage of any individual bet is not affected by the amount of the bet (obviously).

0 strategy on roulette. Its impossible to be better than someone else.

no matter what you do (martingale, betting pattern, wait for black to hit 6 times etc) casino will always have a ~2,5% edge over u

A betting system that costs a lot but provides the greatest payout would be betting a lot on one number.

You're an idiot if you believe that and you have no understanding of anything related to gambling.

Given a specific composition of cards in a 6 deck shoe, the removal of known cards causes a known bias in the composition of the rest of the shoe.

Given a specific number picked by the roulette wheel, there is absolutely no relation or causal effect on the next number picked.

The two games are not remotely similar, and assuming that there must be a "trick" to win at roulette because people count cards at blackjack is idiotic. If you can't figure that out on your own you ought to stay far away from gambling, or else just mail the damn money to the casino and stop wasting time.

there is no strategy unfortunately, all it is is pure luck. you may see some short term winnings but in the end you're always losing say 5 dollars if you bet 100 dollars each time.

Not exactly, but good enough for government work.

if theres a dealer whos not mixing up his spinning speeds, it is possible to estimate where the ball will land, but this is by no means easy to find, and its quiet a skill. theres 1 guy making a living off roulette at the casino i go to but hes super selective of the dealer

By "they always seem to end up getting back even" I bet you mean "every time I see one cash out they are even or ahead"... which is quite possibly true.

Here you go, the ultimate Roulette system

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...7&postcount=17

Mike Caro has a roulette system that is guaranteed to eliminate the house edge. I can vouch for it, been using it for years.

Okay, I am not an expert on gambling, I am 19 so I have only been gambling at a casino for less than a year. However, I am asian and yes I do make a short-term profit on roulette (I can promise you that I am going to look at Mike Caros roulette system immediately after posting this). When I play roulette I am always making even money bets (as posted on the roulette board, not factoring in true odds). I look for the (as I like to call them for obvious reasons) faux-number-patterns. Gambling mathematics might say that every number on the roulette wheel is completely random (they are) but at the same time you can observe the roulette spins and make a crude assessment of where the numbers and colours will land.
Just look at the pattern of numbers and colours you often see
-more than one color in a line or an even pattern of reds and blacks mixed together
-inner number from 12-27 and the outer numbers from 1-9 and 28-36 landing in a rough pattern of either the outer numbers or the inner numbers.

From there you can make an assessment of how much you want to wager (how much you can afford to lose) and just play with your money. Keeping in mind that your money is never safe.

I play with a little bit more strategy if I have absolutely no idea where the ball will land or have just lost some and want to play it safer

one of these is just putting half your money on the 1-18 or 18-36 and one of these putting it on the opposite 12.

As you can see none of my stradegies are put together for the long-term profit but in the short term I have been able to turn $5 into $40 on numerous occasions. It's all in the way you think; just knowing how much you can afford to lose, being able to walk away when you lose (there is no favourite in roulette so there is no good or bad time to walk away)

Just play with roulette on your computer if you want to build up a better system, it can be sort of fun to play with the different profits.

Let me guess, you manage to do this about 1 in 9 times?

pffftttt....

i've turned $5 into $500 many times in roulette.

Hell, one of my biggest runs came from my last $5, turned it into $8K.

Big deal, this is possible in pretty much all table games. You run into some serious positive variance, get lucky a few times, run like god, and voila, you walk away with a big score and the self delusion that you can crush the game.

Of course, you will give it all back over the long term...

You caught me, yes this is a good game for sure, what I have managed to do with it more often is just turning 20 into 40 a much less impressive feat.

Good for you, I don't have the bank or the guts to wager such high amounts just yet though...

I think you missed his point. Your average and cumulative loss is going to be the same over time (equal to house edge) no matter what system you use to redistribute the wins and losses. There is no magic about walking out of the casino at an up point and then walking back in later to continue. The wheel doesn't know you left.

Gosh I knew someone would learn the secret of roulette eventully. Casinos beware, here come the system!!

Holy god. I can't even tell who is leveling in this thread and who is just plain stupid. Amazing.

lol thread and I understand this^
I remember reading a bio about Dan Harrington which mentioned him being part of a roulette team which always boggled my mind...

does anyone know the details^?

It had to do with discovering and exploiting wheel bias using an electronic device.

I believe it can be done as the human brain is remarkable at pattern recognition and learning complex tasks. Here is what is required IMO in order to become a professional and profitable roulette player.

Step 1: you need to I'D the EXACT wheel the casino is using.
Step 2: you need to purchase that same wheel
Step 3: you need to practice on that wheel for 10,000 hrs using all the different balls the casino uses
Step 4: with scientific vigor you need to observe/categorize all the phenomena you observe as far as clocking and where the ball lands w respect to the speed and location of departure
Step 5: you will need to develop your ear for clocking the ball similar to how experts know how many props/engines a plane has just by listening or how many violins are in an orchestra
Step 6: you need to develop your eyes to track the wheel and match it to your ears

The above will take you approximately 10,000 man hours provided you have the auditory and visual talents required. I would guess you could probably gain a 10% to 20% edge. I would also guess that less than 10% of the population has the talent/abilities to do this.