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06-13-2012, 01:08 PM
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old hand
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What do you think about online gambling ( not poker )? Is it rigged? Do you play online?
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06-13-2012, 01:51 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Re: OK, I'm in the Well
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Originally Posted by Il_First_Il
What do you think about online gambling ( not poker )? Is it rigged? Do you play online?
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Rigged? Well ... it's a long ways from transparent. No, I don't. We will have legalized online gaming soon -- the foundation is in place.
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06-13-2012, 04:56 PM
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old hand
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Re: OK, I'm in the Well
you said you are close with your kids. Was it hard to get them to understand the difference between advantage playing and outright gambling? If they said to you growing up they wanted to be a professional gambler when they grow up how would you/did you react to that.
If you had it all to do again would you chose the same lifestyle again or would you just play it safe and join the rat race.
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06-13-2012, 06:06 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Re: OK, I'm in the Well
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Originally Posted by SheetWise
I've been there a few times -- always when I left the games. If you take a couple years off and don't change your lifestyle, the money will disappear. I'm with my fourth wife now -- we've been together 15 years, and the kids are now all grown -- but for eight years I was raising two girls and my son alone, and I didn't want to do that in a gaming environment. I've never lost my bank while I was in the game, but there were times I'd move inside because it was financially more comfortable. You need a lot of freedom to live the lifestyle -- it's not cheap, and it's hard on families. You'll find it's hard to put a bankroll back together when you're out of the game -- so you protect it the same as you would your tools in any other trade. I don't expect it will ever happen again, as I have a lot more freedom now.
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How many times have you been broke? And have you ever hit rock bottom or have you have people loan you money to get back on your feet?
What has been your worst vice/ habbit during this time?
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06-13-2012, 06:37 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Re: OK, I'm in the Well
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Originally Posted by Barbiaux
you said you are close with your kids. Was it hard to get them to understand the difference between advantage playing and outright gambling?
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My oldest son and daughter understand what I do, the younger two really don't care -- but they will humor me in conversation. My oldest daughter is in love with games -- she has the bug, and is still learning where her limits are.
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If they said to you growing up they wanted to be a professional gambler when they grow up how would you/did you react to that.
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I wouldn't try to talk them out of it necessarily, but I would direct their attention to about a six foot section of my library -- and begin pointing out which volumes they need to read first.
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If you had it all to do again would you chose the same lifestyle again ...
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Yes. I would just approach it with more structured objectives. Gambling can be just as much fun, even more fun, when you bank the game as it is when you play the game -- it's just that very few people have figured out how to make it so. Again, the dynamics of the quandary all fall under the rubric of trust.
One of my biggest misfortunes was never having a chance to meet Bill Harrah -- he died the year I moved to Tahoe. There's a great book titled "Every Light Was On" that everyone in this business should read. Harrah was one of the few people who understood what the business should be about.
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... or would you just play it safe and join the rat race.
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Unless I had a lot of freedom and truly loved my work, that was not an option I ever seriously considered.
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06-13-2012, 07:15 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: OK, I'm in the Well
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Originally Posted by bubonicplay
How many times have you been broke? And have you ever hit rock bottom or have you have people loan you money to get back on your feet?
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Three times in private life, outside of gaming, I've gone to negative net worth -- no liquid assets -- and no cash. It's not fun. Between those times, I've had three divorces -- which will hit your financial health pretty hard even when you "win". How I came back was by identifying an opportunity, writing a good business plan, and sharing the opportunity. In early 2000 I lost $14 million on paper, and was flat broke -- by 2001 I had made and invested $700k, which was all wiped out on 9/11. The second loss actually stung worse than the first. My "luck" has been a lot worse outside of gaming than it has been inside.
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What has been your worst vice/ habit during this time?
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There were periods when I drank a lot more than I should have (see above), but I managed to avoid a lot of the other traps that ensnared a lot of people I worked with. One vice I had -- which most people wouldn't recognize as a vice -- I trusted people too easily. After my loss in 2000 I was working with a private investigator who specialized in financial fraud, and after my loss in 2001 -- I worked with him for a couple of years. That taught me a lot. It also cured me
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06-13-2012, 07:18 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: OK, I'm in the Well
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Originally Posted by Il_First_Il
What do you think about online gambling ( not poker )? Is it rigged? Do you play online?
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When I answered your question earlier, I wrote "No, I don't." That was in response to "Do you play online?" not "Is it rigged?"
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06-13-2012, 07:31 PM
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old hand
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Originally Posted by SheetWise
When I answered your question earlier, I wrote "No, I don't." That was in response to "Do you play online?" not "Is it rigged?"
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I understood , also which books about gambling lifestyle/strategy do you reccomend reading?
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06-13-2012, 08:15 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: OK, I'm in the Well
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Originally Posted by Il_First_Il
I understood , also which books about gambling lifestyle/strategy do you recommend reading?
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21 - It depends what level you're at. I still like Revere's book for foundation, but Stanford Wong's work is definitive for strategy (IMHO). The rest of the game you can learn on the job if you're connected to a good network of players. Griffin added a lot, as did Grosjean.
Poker - I like Sklansky's books. They're fairly vague, as they need to be -- only experience can fill in the details. Reading blogs will reveal how a lot of people both under-analyze and over-analyze the game, depending on what tools they have to work with. I think books on sociology, psychology, and narrative economics are extremely valuable. I really like the work of Malcolm Gladwell, Nassim Taleb, and most Austrian economists as a framework for understanding behavior. But I'm strange -- and that may not be good advice for everybody.
Sports - Read everything you can on probability, statistics, and computer modeling. Here again, economics provides a framework for an approach to decision making.
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06-14-2012, 05:26 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Never been in this sub forum but great read and keep it up!
What game do you play when you want to relax, gamble, or just have fun with friends drinking that may be -Ev? What strategy would you use while playing it?
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06-14-2012, 07:41 AM
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banned
Join Date: Feb 2012
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Re: OK, I'm in the Well
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Originally Posted by SheetWise
The best comp I ever had was at Caesars. The marquis on opening night listed "Sammy", with Count Basie as the backup show. I really didn't want to go out of my way to see Sammy -- but I wanted to see the Count, and mentioned it to the CM. He gave me a front row booth. I didn't realize that Sammy and Basie had a long history together, and that opening night turned into an improvised reunion that was truly memorable. The best show I've ever seen. My escort enjoyed it as well.
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GOLD!
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06-14-2012, 11:29 AM
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journeyman
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Re: OK, I'm in the Well
Thanks for a great Well!
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06-14-2012, 11:43 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: OK, I'm in the Well
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Originally Posted by kylephilly
What game do you play when you want to relax, gamble, or just have fun with friends drinking that may be -Ev? What strategy would you use while playing it?
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If I'm playing a -EV game in a club for fun and relaxation, the strategy is to minimize cost while maximizing entertainment value and survival time. Those are generally really, really bad games -- like roulette, horse racing, and keno. When the stakes are low enough, or the game slow enough -- it's inexpensive entertainment.
With friends and family I play cribbage. Everyone in the family plays cribbage -- the kids all learned to play before they were in school -- and most friends who don't play soon learn.
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06-14-2012, 11:44 AM
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#89
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: OK, I'm in the Well
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Thanks for a great Well!
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My pleasure.
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06-14-2012, 12:50 PM
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old hand
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Do you have some sort of strategy for roulette? Or some lucky numbers?
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