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When I'm not in full blown beast mode, I go on a rant about how basic strategy was created by the casino to take people's money and anyone who plays it is stupid. This is funny because one person - usually the biggest noob- usually really buys what I'm saying and starts making really weird plays which tilts the table even more.

The dealers are also in a weird spot because they are the ones that often give basic strategy advice. Whenever one offers advice, I interject and say that's what he's being paid to tell you, think about it for yourself, we have time.

I would bet my net worth less than 10% of dealers can ace a basic strategy test. And less than 1% of players you find playing blackjack in a casino.

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03-07-2016 , 11:17 PM

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WaKtickets

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I absolutely agree bighurt

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03-09-2016 , 04:48 PM

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callipygian

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Originally Posted by Bighurt52235

I would bet my net worth less than 10% of dealers can ace a basic strategy test. And less than 1% of players you find playing blackjack in a casino.

While true, this is a little misleading.

I think 90% of dealers could get 90% of hands right. Probably higher on both fronts if you fixed H17/S17 at whatever was more popular when the dealer first started dealing.

I think trying to steer ploppies away from basic strategy is pointless if you play it yourself - that is, it draws attention if you convince someone to hit H14D3 and then stand yourself.

The exception is when you don't play BS yourself. For example, I would Wong in at +1 so things like standing H16D10 was actually BS, I would convince ploppies to do it at any count.

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03-10-2016 , 03:24 AM

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Bighurt52235

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If 90 includes all the stand on 19s, then yes. But I bet well over half don't know the Soft doubles, let alone hitting soft 18. Or their 9 splits. No way.

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03-10-2016 , 12:27 PM

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groverhawk

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Do you guys think it is possible to make a decent living at Blackjack provided that you do your homework and learn optimal strategy then sit down and play the odds based on standard deviations. For example if you play $15 bets and sit with $1500 you would leave as soon as you got up $300. Of course on a rare occasion you would lose all $1500 but the times you won 300 would far outweigh that loss. (Obviously these are just round numbers for the example)

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03-10-2016 , 02:38 PM

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Tom Ames

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Seems like a solid strategy that should work for any game.

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03-10-2016 , 10:55 PM

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callipygian

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Originally Posted by Bighurt52235

I bet well over half don't know the Soft doubles, let alone hitting soft 18. Or their 9 splits. No way.

I agree, but those hands add up to less than 10% of all hands.

90% should include most hard hands, the more obvious 2/3 of the soft hands, and the most obvious 1/3 of the split hands.

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03-11-2016 , 01:55 AM

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groverhawk

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Originally Posted by Tom Ames

Seems like a solid strategy that should work for any game.

If you play BS the house edge is around .5%. So what % of the time will you win 10 units vs the % that you will lose 50 units? I know there is a flaw in my logic but I want to believe that if you just have the discipline to get up when you hit 10 units that somehow it could be a viable strategy.

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03-11-2016 , 02:00 AM

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chillrob

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All that matters in gambling is the egde, not the individual session length. It's allone long session. Still stuns me how many people can't grasp that.

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03-11-2016 , 02:06 AM

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groverhawk

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Because sometimes the edges are very subtle and people want so badly to find an edge.

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03-11-2016 , 04:27 AM

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chillrob

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Because sometimes the edges are very subtle and people want so badly to find an edge.

You are the one my previous post was directed to. If you are playing basic strategy BJ where they house has an edge, it is impossible for you to have an expected win in the long run, no matter how you structure your sessions.

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03-11-2016 , 09:28 AM

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NewOldGuy

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Originally Posted by groverhawk

So what happens when you sit back down? Or do you plan to quit for the rest of your life in order to "lock in" that win?

The flaw in your logic is that there is no Magic Casino Door that allows you to evade the law of large numbers by walking through it. Getting up doesn't reboot your life, it's all one session.

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03-12-2016 , 04:09 AM

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Fubster

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Because sometimes the edges are very subtle and people want so badly to find an edge.

somehow this is the best post in this forum since sheetswise died or quit or whatever

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03-21-2016 , 12:24 AM

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WOAT1Time

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Originally Posted by tiger415

a reason why I hate playing blackjack is you get literally the whole table sometimes begging you not to double down on your soft 18, not to hit ur soft 18s, or not to hit 14s or 15s when the dealer shows a ten (he'll bust is the common logic from these people). Basically to not even play basic strategy.

and then when the dealer wins, the majority of the table gets seriously upset at me and only me...

or if everyone is on a streak and I decide to play 2 hands, it'll ruin the "flow". or if I'm playing 2 hands and I decide to drop to 1 hand, it'll also ruin the "flow".

this happens very frequently in northern california casinos.

People go crazy on the soft 18 doubles and 99 splits, even the soft 18 hits. I think the funniest thing is how upset they get at people who don't play the side bet though. They won't double an 11 vs a 2 because the dealer has been making hands but think it is an affront to their God if a neighbor misses a 9-1 three card poker payout.

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