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How do I join a team at blackjack? How do I join a team at blackjack?

05-19-2014 , 05:17 PM
I just wanted to ask this, and thought I'd give a little bit of information about myself as well, as introduction.

I've always been gifted, especially at math and language; math always seemed to come easy to me, not instantly, but generallY I seemed to learn more quickly than anyone else. Unfortunately, perhaps, I never pursued it any higher than Trig. Which, in the wide world, is very low on the mathmatic totem poll. With English, I'm just good at it because I read.

I'm not trying to talk myself up too much, I have complete faith in myself althogh I'm not an ego-maniac; I just wanted to put some of my experiences up here. When I was 14, I won the state scholastic championship of chess, about 1800 strength; and then had a very good tournament at the Denker, with a performance of 2100 something. No incredible feat or anything. . .but for 3 years I studied chess every day, because I was in love with the game. It wasn't a very amazing feat, but it taught me how something is really learned well: one has to be in love with the subject, or topic, and become immersed in it, studying it every day. As Bobby Baldwin said: "I became immersed in poker, livin,g breathing, eating and drinking it." He says, that's the way to become truly good. Grandmaster Gufeld of chess said, if one person played 23 hours a day for 6 months, and then had a match with someone who had studied 1 hour a day for the same six months, the second player would crush the first - and experience bears it out. The way to master a subject is simply this approach. And I figured out also that it involved being in love with the subject, or at least deeply fascinated with it.

As Arnold Snyder put it; you have to love winning.

I also grew up in the country with my brother and dad. We had no phone or television, and I think this played the biggest role in my personal development. When I was 10, about to turn 11, we had to move into my dad's place of business. . . It was a small-town, Greyhound bus station. Not the kind where you have dozens or more people in every day - but the small Southern-state, slowly trickle of customers, usually the place empty and quiet. . . My dad had a game-room, he started up a little before that time, and so for a summer I spent all of my nights playing Starcraft 'til dawn, and then sleeping and starting again... This is when I got to meet people like college people, etc.,

So the game-room was the for a few years, and when I was 11 or 12 I started chess, and that took up the biggest part of my life for a while. .

I was very good at playing games, and I learned how to type, and I learned some things about construction of maps, but I didn't learn very much in the way of programming, although I certainly still have a greater common and working knowledge of computers than most people.

There's nothing else interesting about my background, except that I read a lot of books.

Most of the people who think they are brilliant are probably *******s; and, while a lot of people probably may say that about me, I've always tried to be the opposite, and I think I can genuinely say I've never not given someone a chance.


So I would really like to ask, does anyone have any information about joining a blackjack team?
I should give a bit of background of my qualifications, and I'll be more brief than above...
First, I started with poker - after playing briefly online, I didn't pick it up again until a few years later, when I began studying the game. First I read Hold'em for Advanced Players, and the Theory of Poker, and 2 or 3 other books, and then I read a ton of Mike Caro's articles online. Pretty soon I bought a decent-sized library largely based off Mason Malmuth's recommendations in Gambling Theory and Other Topics; including Bob Ciaffone, and most every good poker book, or at least 50 or 60 of them.

I loved them and I've read most of the good ones twice or more. I've had some good success at poker. . . I won't go into it because it's not. . I don't know it's not important, or it doesn't really matter. . . I mean it matters - every hand we play matters, but spending any more time on it than any other memory - or studying the game in a theoretical or purely training way - is probably not useful.
So - I've had some good successes, but I have not succeeded yet in taking off with a bankroll.

Part-way through my poker book marathon I got into blackjack, starting with Ed Thorpe and getting the best books, by Snyder, Wong, Griffin, et. al.

The first time I saw blackjack I was deeply fascinated by it immediately, the beautiful, simple and crisp and clear nature of it: $5, plus or minus $5 at the result. . .

I've only read 8 or 9 books on Blackjack, but I've also read a few/lot of articles, and, equally important is I've practiced. . . It's utterably non-boring to me to practice at it, and I've spent literally hundreds of hours practicing on http://www.blackjackinfo.com/aftergame.php . . I guess because, it's fun.

But I love casino Blackjack and - I wouldn't probably be writing this, except recently I became more comfortable, completely comfortable just playing. .

I'm a fairly extremely disciplined person. . . long ago in life I learned how important it is, and spent a lot of my life just working on self-mastery or self-control. I've been too disciplined at times, although like everyone else, the majority probably has been too little.

I went through a period of my life, however, which helped me in a lot of ways. When I was 15, after the chess thing, and after moving a couple of times, I suddenly got struck with anxiety. I put it that way because there's no better way to put it. I don't remember having much of it before, but suddenly I could barely function in many scenarios. In school, in public, especially in a store, I was nearly paralyzed by anxiety. And I was fine alone, or with my family. It lasted almost 4 years, and after time it gradually became a rather distant past. I believe now, besides other factors, it was due to a higher than normal sensitivity. . of the senses, of incoming sense data, of whatever you might call it.

During this time, especially the first couple years, it was tough - going to the store or something like this was a great act of willpower. . . I tried everything to overcome it. Exercise, sports, meditating, playing guitar. . . Ultimately nothing overcame it except time; and I am also sure all of the time I spent trying to hone my skills such as sitting still, or keeping calm when my physiology wanted to shoot through the roof, helped. It was strange because whenever I was alone, I was fine. But when I was with other people in public, I literally could not sit still because of anxiety, I once or twice got tunnel vision in a store or something; and one of the worst things is I would flinch a lot, when someone moved, it startled me and I would flinch, or the other one is I would swallow - gulp.

These last two were common and very annoying.

The thing is - perhaps not very many people think about this often - but the thing is is that we're all connected, we're all interchanging information and data and affecting each others' brain waves and brain chemistry; all the time, this is going on, nearly instantly. Give and take, to and fro - I smile and your endorphins go up, you touch my hand and my serotonin rises. But it's there with every single look and subtle movement.

So the thing is, when you gulp or something, you're immediately setting up a reaction. . . events that are connected. You change the atmosphere. And how do you change it? Exactly the opposite of how you would change it if you smiled, laughed, or did something else to relieve the tension appropriately.

Instead it increases tension . . I won't go into how so, it's really not important. . .

There's no big point to all this except it took me several years to get to where I could have no anxiety at all talking to people I didn't know well, or had just met, or being okay in any social situation. I had gone from where I was so extremely anxious around people that I would simply sit by the wall at school, when there were a hundred people in the halls, and try to read, and feel the pressure almost physically on my head, to being able to be okay talking to anyone.

It took a lot of time, effort, and discipline - but it left me with, I think, a greater appreciation for the way interactions between humans affect us.

Anyway - okay, I don't know why I told so much of my life story on here, I wasn't really intending to. I once wrote Tommy Angelo a while back about lessions, and he said to write out my poker history so maybe I had that in mind. Btw, Mike Caro is an amazing guy who will write back to you if you write him. I don't know if he'll want me to advertise that.

So, I've done good at both poker and blackjack in my past, but I don't have any bankroll to show for it, and I'm currently starting again. I've always been cautious with gambling games, reading 15 or 20 poker books before even starting that, but, I've done that even though I feel I have a very strong instinctual understanding of the game.

I've been studying both games for about 6 years now; I'm 26, and, I have training and perserverence and dedication, but no bankroll right now - so if anyone knows of how I could join a team, a blackjack team would be fantastic, I would be very grateful.

Poker and Blackjack, together have been my passion for a few years now; I take it very seriously. I would also be a completely honest player on the team; and a good teammate. I would be/am enthusiastic and encouraging as to taking on new challenges, and getting the best out of our advantage - while aware of the dangers of over-extending. Ok, I'm not perfect or anything and I don't think I am; I'm very dedicated though, and I am definitely capable and talented, and most of all serious enough to do some good...

Thanks, all
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05-19-2014 , 06:17 PM
Trust, not skills, will be the #1 criterion in forming a team. I'd suggest teaching your like-minded friends rather than try to find someone to trust you.
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05-19-2014 , 06:34 PM
OP,

You've been "studying" poker and blackjack for 6 years and have no bankroll? What do you have to offer a team? Teams want winning players. If you can not demonstrate that you are a winning player, you will not find a successful team that wants you.

Also, being free of bi-polar disorder is a huge plus

Play a lot on your own. Win. If you do this you will find it much easier to network with other players who are on a team or interested in forming one.
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05-19-2014 , 10:14 PM
So 2+2 doesn't have private messages, it would seem to appear...

So, if anyone is running a team, wants me on it, let me know.

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Originally Posted by callipygian
Trust, not skills, will be the #1 criterion in forming a team. I'd suggest teaching your like-minded friends rather than try to find someone to trust you.
Right, this is what I understand to be the case. . still I thought I'd try.
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05-19-2014 , 10:35 PM
There are private messages, but you have to have a certain minimal number of posts before it gets enabled. There is also a marketplace forum for this type of thing that you can post on once you are approved.
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05-20-2014 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Ames
Teams want winning players. If you can not demonstrate that you are a winning player, you will not find a successful team that wants you.
Maybe EMFH teams. But for BP teams, I disagree.

I played on a team composed of college friends. One guy failed the skills check. We simply made him the BP. All he had to do was play basic strategy (adjusted for a TC +5), and act drunk.

Oh, and hold 3 months of our collective salaries in his pocket. That's where the trust comes in.
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05-20-2014 , 01:13 AM
I would be careful and really think hard about joining a team operating with the big player approach. This approach is pretty well known by now and as such the teams go through players pretty quickly, which is why they are always recruiting. They really look at these players as throw-away players. Once they burn your face out, they are done with you.

If you are only in it for the short term, to try to make a quick buck, this can be an option. But if you have any thoughts of any kind of extended career, even if it is just playing part-time as a money making hobby, burning your face out so quickly will be a problem. There are many guys running around in there 40's who were members of various teams, like MIT and Holy Rollers to name a few, that just can't play anywhere, even at low/medium stakes.

If you are interested in anything other than making a quick buck, a better option could be the EMFH team, that callipygian mentioned, in which a small group of players combine bankrolls, but play separately. This allows them to play at a higher level (playing to the combined BR), than they could playing solo to their own BR.
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05-20-2014 , 01:19 AM
callip, really appreciate your responses.

I forgot to put an email or something, since I don't have a PM yet. mooshie21@yahoo.com is an email I use if anyone wants to say hello.

So, to sum up again, I am a good player, comfortable etc., I've spent about 6 years studying gambling; more focused on poker but a lot of blackjack; not just the main books but also things like "Gambling Ramblings" by Griffin and other things about probability..
and, on the program online, literally hundreds of hours of playing on it.. to me, it is such a good training program... it's like running with weights on, kind of, or training in a high altitude. Great program.

I probably won't be posting a lot on this thread, just watching now and then to learn something. I will try to join the 2+2 community else-wise, though.

So, I really do have a lot to offer; I'm a good player, I don't have a lot of bad habits, I have a fair amount of knowledge and training. Also I have a completely fresh face.
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05-20-2014 , 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by kewljason
I would be careful and really think hard about joining a team operating with the big player approach. This approach is pretty well known by now and as such the teams go through players pretty quickly, which is why they are always recruiting. They really look at these players as throw-away players. Once they burn your face out, they are done with you.

If you are only in it for the short term, to try to make a quick buck, this can be an option. But if you have any thoughts of any kind of extended career, even if it is just playing part-time as a money making hobby, burning your face out so quickly will be a problem. There are many guys running around in there 40's who were members of various teams, like MIT and Holy Rollers to name a few, that just can't play anywhere, even at low/medium stakes.

If you are interested in anything other than making a quick buck, a better option could be the EMFH team, that callipygian mentioned, in which a small group of players combine bankrolls, but play separately. This allows them to play at a higher level (playing to the combined BR), than they could playing solo to their own BR.
Thanks, this makes a lot of sense to me. I definitely want to make blackjack a part of my income for a good while, and it's also one of my main goals to play with as little heat and barring as possible. I mainly just want any good games there are to remain open to me as long as possible. . .
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05-20-2014 , 10:12 AM
OP: you received a lot of good feedback here, and as stated, trust is probably #1. That said, send me a PM (once you are able) if you are still looking for a team as I may have an opportunity for you.
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05-24-2014 , 01:51 AM
Skills and bankroll are easy to come by these days. Trust is the biggest problem, making sure that you have players that are not afraid to lay down big action in casino conditions is number two. Of course there are ways around all these issues.

As for getting action, short sessions, minor appearance changes and access to multiple players cards are usually more than enough to ensure you can play at all but the most sophisticated stores.
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06-05-2014 , 09:56 PM
Prove yourself to others. Prove to them you're as good as you say to make yourself trustworthy.
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06-06-2014 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jamesyt32
Prove to them you're as good as you say to make yourself trustworthy.
That's a pretty low bar for trust. That's like saying, oh this Bernie Madoff guy has a Bentley just like he said he did, I'm going to give him my life savings.

As a matter of fact, people who are really good and yet have no appreciable bankroll and act like they need a team are probably the MOST suspicious.

- Do you steal?
- Do you have some sort of addiction that might drive you to steal?
- Do you have ties to people who could blackmail you?
- Do you have any criminal history, or any other reason why a casino may decide to monitor you without even realizing you're part of a team?
- Would you screw me over to save your own skin? Worse yet, would you screw me over because you think it would save your own skin?
- How do you deal with adversity? Will you rage quit if we lose half our bankroll in the first week? What if we lose steadily for 6 months?
- Will you for whatever reason try to break the team or play one member against another?
- How faithfully do you keep records? Ever lie? Ever forget? Ever say "it doesn't count because..."?
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06-06-2014 , 05:10 AM
thing i'd look for the most (beyond basic due diligence) is "how do i feel about sharing a hotel room with this person on a regular basis"
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07-09-2014 , 02:05 AM
Im in . Bring my ass. I look like a whale I can drink and bet big for us when the counts high PM me. I have ideas.
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07-13-2014 , 02:07 PM
Ahemmmm
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07-15-2014 , 10:31 AM
Ok Don thanks for pointing out my lack of BR. dick.

Maybe they just need a hilarious disctracting charming attractive sharp and witty dude to bet big and bring bitches to the table to distract floorman. Need a hollywood? I gotchu peymp.

Lets roll I wanna hit all the casinos they OWE ME BIG TIME!!!!!!! plus I know two dudes who have PLAYED HU4ROLLZ at BJ and STACKED THE SINO DUDE!
LET ME IN IM READY

2-6 + 1 7-9 NEUTCH 10-A - 1 IM REAAAAAAADY
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07-15-2014 , 01:29 PM
Join a blackjack team? I would search the Craigslist classifieds to see if any are hiring. lol.


If you are a good blackjack player and well versed in counting/theory/basic strategy, I would recommend grinding it out on your own. It is not like the movies. I have come across a handful of people that claim to be professional blackjack players, but looking at them deeper, they are losing blackjack players funded by other sources. I did the casino gaming life for a little over a year, I don't recommend it. Sounds great at face value.... just play cards on your time, hang out in the casinos and try to sink the meat missile into some poon... but its a lot of friggin work and in the end, my win rate left me with less then min wage.
If there was truly a team that needed a guy, yeah, jump on it. But how many really use the old team play trick? most casino's dont even allow mid shoe entry around here. Plus from my experience card counting, the count is positive such a small amount of time much less "hot", I have doubts team play even works anything like movie depict.

To get hooked up, you either need serious skills, or, you need money to contribute. Grind out low stakes blackjack. If you can prove to be profitable on your own, you would be valuable. Your next best option is to form your own team, but again I doubt the "big player" team bit is effective.
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07-20-2014 , 02:10 AM
[ ] inbox is flooded with black jack team offers
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07-20-2014 , 03:21 AM
1) Join a university math class with a charismatic professor who moonlights as a card counter.

2) Impress him with your intuitive knowledge of probability.

3) Get an invite to join his secret team.

4) ????

5) Profit.

6) Go broke.
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07-20-2014 , 03:45 AM
Can't trust someone who uses yahoo....gmail>>>>>>>yahoo
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07-20-2014 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by WickedChippa
[ ] inbox is flooded with black jack team offers
Gaped beyond belief.
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07-20-2014 , 07:12 PM
LMAO!
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07-24-2014 , 12:54 AM
I used to play for a guy ..Micky Rosa..pm me for his number ..and tell him Ben referred you.
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