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07-25-2014 , 12:56 AM

brycenc

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Playing blackjack, the dealer miscounted their hand. Thinking she had 22 when in fact she had 21, she paid all remaining hands, of which one was mine, for a sizeable bet.

My question is this: will there ever be any repercussions for me? I cashed out 2 hands later. I had used my players card, so they can rollback tape and know who was overpaid.

I am of the belief that there will need no consequences for me but I am not entirely sure.

This happened in an Oklahoma casino, BTW.

Thanks for any insight.

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07-25-2014 , 02:09 AM

KingBBinLV

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The surveillance people in a casino are way to busy to be reviewing every hand of BJ dealt at the casino, they only go back and look at specific hands if there was a need to do it, IE: someone complained they weren't paid when they should have been.

They aren't gonna be coming after you to get the chips back.

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07-25-2014 , 04:06 AM

ForwardUntoProfit

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It's on them, though being an Indian casino they are sometimes *******s about it.

The better question is why in the hell were you playing blackjack in Oklahoma? That fee per hand is absolutely brutal to your EV. Tunica is like 7 hours from OKC, just save the headache and drive there for a weekend instead. God I hate Oklahoma casinos.

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07-25-2014 , 07:49 AM

NineNatural

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Are you asking for legal advice or likelihoods?

Chances are excellent nothing ever comes of it though how sizable, sizable was could change that answer at least a bit.

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07-25-2014 , 03:58 PM

callipygian

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Originally Posted by KingBBinLV

+1, with the following addition:

Did you cash out immediately BECAUSE you were overpaid, or was that coincidence?

I recommend not behaving abnormally, because there's the possibility that the dealer IS under surveillance for either ineptitude or cheating.

It's a fairly common scam to collude with a dealer or cashier to get paid erroneously and split it in the parking lot. Surveillance is very, if not primarily, concerned with employee malfeasance. If the dealer has a history of making bad payouts (they can tell over time when the hold from that dealer's table doesn't match the others), it's possible you maie yourself LOOK guilty by running off with the goods.

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07-25-2014 , 05:52 PM

leon

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Unlikely they do anything, but if their tray count is off by any big chips you'd better believe they'll roll the tape back. Ultimately, they can legally come collect from you, or at least demand you make good the next time you come in (accepting an overpay is theft and they have the law on their side).

I'm actually shocked some idiot at the table didn't say "hey dealer, why are you paying? You have 21, of course". That would be totally standard. I've never been in a situation to accept an overpay like this, b/c some table captain always corrects the dealer first.

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07-26-2014 , 03:21 PM

SuitedJunk

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I've been playing Ultimate Texas Holdem and the dealer thought they just had a high card, but really had a flush... Everyone just sits there quietly and gets paid.

I saw the dealer a couple of weeks later so it means they weren't fired...

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07-26-2014 , 10:15 PM

Brown Keeper

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I would have said something, but given you didn't I don't think you will be held accountable on the off-chance the eye in the sky took notice.

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07-27-2014 , 10:43 AM

NineNatural

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They won't go out of their way to correct errors in their favor you didn't notice.

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07-28-2014 , 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NineNatural

They won't go out of their way to correct errors in their favor you didn't notice.

IME they do.

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07-29-2014 , 12:08 AM

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ntnBO

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So naturally OP would remain silent if he had 21 and the dealer thought it was 22 and swept it and his chips away.

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07-29-2014 , 12:56 AM

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NewOldGuy

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Originally Posted by leon

accepting an overpay is theft

This. Even if you don't get caught.

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07-29-2014 , 01:59 AM

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Fubster

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Originally Posted by callipygian

IME they do.

what casino on this planet does this? i guess cali rooms sometimes would but that's the only place i can fathom this happening.

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07-29-2014 , 04:38 PM

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Neil S

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Arranging an overpay is theft. Accepting an intentional overpay is problematic. But errors happen.

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07-29-2014 , 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Fubster

what casino on this planet does this?

All over Vegas?

You've never had a dealer correct him or herself halfway through paying people out incorrectly?

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07-30-2014 , 03:09 AM

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KatoKrazy

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Read the op you responded to again.

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07-30-2014 , 03:38 AM

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NineNatural

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Originally Posted by callipygian

All over Vegas?

You've never had a dealer correct him or herself halfway through paying people out incorrectly?

That's not a fair comparison. If they'd have noticed the house mistake during the payout they'd have taken it back as well. We're talking about seeking players out after the fact.

I've played enough one off hands of bacc after a long poker session to know it's almost impossible for me to not have missed an error in the house's favor. Nobody's ever greeted me with a refund on my next visit.

Protect yourself in real time, let them protect themselves in real time. It works out. The other way around you take the worst of it.

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07-30-2014 , 09:32 AM

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OmahaFanatical4

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oklahoma casinos charge an ante, yes? try lighting your money on fire next time instead. dealer errors are frequent and seldom are their repercussions especially after you have left the casino. instead of leaving two hands later you should probably grind that dealer, they are likely tired, stupid or both and likely to do the same thing again. if it's a massive amount u might want to gtfo and not return for a while.

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07-30-2014 , 09:33 AM

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OmahaFanatical4

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also the next time a dealer makes an error consider engaging them in conversation while they are making the false payout so that they don't notice the mistake.

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07-30-2014 , 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NineNatural

That's not a fair comparison. If they'd have noticed the house mistake during the payout they'd have taken it back as well. We're talking about seeking players out after the fact.

I assumed the OP noticed the mistake before the payouts were completed, exactly the same as my reverse scenario. He chose to leave with the money afterward, but his decision point was during the hand.

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07-30-2014 , 02:07 PM

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NineNatural

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That's true and makes it a more fair comparison. I was more looking at it from op's point of what happens when he goes back but see you could have been replying from a different angle.

I still don't think an attentive recreational player should concern himself with anything more than protecting his own hand/interest but it's a long debate that isn't worth much so to each his own.

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07-30-2014 , 03:53 PM

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After the next hand is dealt it's finders keepers losers weepers as far as I'm concerned.

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07-31-2014 , 12:25 AM

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ForwardUntoProfit

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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4

oklahoma casinos charge an ante, yes? try lighting your money on fire next time instead

Think it was 75¢/hand last time I set foot in Riverwind.

Gotta hand it to them, it's pretty brilliant. Effectively a sliding house edge that crushes small players, and disguised as a seemingly insignificant surcharge everyone bad at math will pay. No real need to be very proactive about game protection for anyone under green chips either.

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07-31-2014 , 10:18 AM

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NineNatural

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Probably more of an it's a crooked game but it's the only game in town thing than a bad at math thing.

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08-03-2014 , 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by leon

I'm actually shocked some idiot at the table didn't say "hey dealer, why are you paying? You have 21, of course". That would be totally standard. I've never been in a situation to accept an overpay like this, b/c some table captain always corrects the dealer first.

lol there's always that guy

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