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Old 03-14-2011, 06:12 PM   #1
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crazy online roulette moment, explain please.

this just happend to me and Im like lol wtf..

I play online at UB, yes I know about the fixes in the past but I am a low stakes player and I get rake back and well what ever.

I have made a big time life failure in that I am good at poker, good at the hu sng etc but Ive started playing roulette a bit, of course another fool I hear you say, another Martingale player and yes I personally bust out 1000 the other day with 7 or eight blacks in a row and I was on red, but that is not why I am posting.

I just logged into my Ub account and I see they have given me $14, not much money but then again the other day I turned $1.50 to a couple of hundred so money is money, what ever.

Reason for my post, money wise I dont even care but it is so LOL I need to post it, and yes this is 100% ture.

I bounced between roulette with 14 after winning twice once on red then doing the bottom third and the upper third and it came in 1 or some thing so then I had 24 or what ever, I played a $3 or $6 hu sng, won that, next thing I know I won a $12 hu sng..

Back to the roulette.

Tell me is this possible online because I just saw it with my own eyes and Im not ****** about.

I put 5 on like bottom third and five on the top third then ball when into action.. and Im watching it then.

The ball goes around like 3 4 5 times what ever, it then stops after hitting a slot.. and then changes dirrection and at the same speed goes counter clockwise skipping around the dial 2 or three times.

My mouth dropped.

Then the balls like it was on strings lands guess were, in the double zero or what ever, I was playing the european table.


I dont really believe that online any thing is rigged, but I have never seen any thing like that, it was like a total joke if you saw it you would be like wtf was that, that is not even possible.

I know its fake and it simulates roulette but the ball travels around the table or dail 4,5,6 times, hits a slots then with great vigour skates counter clockwise 2,3,4 times and finally plonks into double zero.


People can flame me but I can back this up, if any one at UB is reading this PM me I just played this 21:50gmt I will provide my user name.


im not saying any thing but come on man a jokes a joke how the *** is that possible?, itsnot like the ball locked or had some strange hit and smashed backwards the ball had already gone around 4,5,6 times, it bangs and slot then goes against the motion of the table and stakes acorss counter to its motion.


Seriously Im going to get flame but what I just saw was *** amazing and untill I get some kind of answer to what I just saw I think ill stick to poker.


from gambler to others out there, GIVEN what I just saw (which I did) how am I ment to think about this? it was physically impossible, that could NEVER happen in real life, and I am leaving out for the moment it then plink plonked into double zero.

Is there some one at ub I can talk to about this?

Has any one seen some thing even remotely this crazy?

I wish I had a screen capture of this, it would be dicussed for sure.

Finally is online roulette actually expected to be fair and random, am I being stupid here, is there a random number generator that produces the balls "path"?
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:09 PM   #2
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Re: crazy online roulette moment, explain please.

your internet connection lagged. I very much doubt the online roulette software has an advanced physics engine to simulate the movements of a roulette ball. The number it'll land in is determined the second you click spin. You should click "turn off animations" you'll be amazed at how fast the ball moves.
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:10 PM   #3
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http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/
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Old 03-14-2011, 09:04 PM   #4
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Re: crazy online roulette moment, explain please.

so you lost? keep playing online roulette. heard that pays bills
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Old 03-15-2011, 01:14 AM   #5
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Re: crazy online roulette moment, explain please.

or what ever
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Old 03-15-2011, 07:21 AM   #6
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what ever
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Then the balls like it was on strings lands guess were, in the double zero or what ever, I was playing the european table.

Is there some one

Has any one seen some thing even
Compound words are your friend. They make reading easier. How can you hit double-zero on a European wheel?

As for the rest of your post, as tomdemaine said -- you're viewing an animation of a foregone conclusion. This is meant to make the game more entertaining for you -- in this case, it didn't work as planned.

Someone screwed up whatever on something.
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Old 03-20-2011, 03:01 AM   #7
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lol, I was thinking the same thing.
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Old 03-20-2011, 11:04 AM   #8
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Re: crazy online roulette moment, explain please.

I, for one, do believe online casinos are rigged.
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Old 03-20-2011, 11:32 AM   #9
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I, for one, do believe online casinos are rigged.

But if you think the little animations are relevant to that conversation...
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Old 03-20-2011, 04:09 PM   #10
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But if you think the little animations are relevant to that conversation...
... think again.

Even on slot machines, some of the Jackpots are actually underwritten by third party insurers whose servers are pinged for every line played. So I buy insurance for 50MM pings generated on a third party RNG (installed on my machine) which pings their machine with a random number 1-200MM to determine if this is a winner (assume the winning number is 1, if you play 81 lines the winning number is anything 1-81) -- I will program the local computer to suppress displaying all winning Jackpot combinations generated by the local PRNG, and if the ping is successful, to force the display of the win insured by the third party. Everybody is trying to keep it honest, but there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes ... and that's just one of them.
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Old 03-21-2011, 12:40 AM   #11
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Re: crazy online roulette moment, explain please.

I hadn't thought it'd be quite that complicated on the RNG side, but I just know from a software development standpoint that expecting every little casino animation to be a full-up physics engine, just isn't realistic.

I know at least in Nevada that the law requires any depictions of physical gambling implements to be simulated correctly, but to expect the simulation to be perfectly animated is unrealistic.

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Old 03-21-2011, 10:03 PM   #12
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Re: crazy online roulette moment, explain please.

reminds of the cheating at party poker with players hiding cards in their sleeve

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Old 03-22-2011, 08:23 PM   #13
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Everyone who responded has been had, nobody is as stupid as the first post.
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Old 03-22-2011, 09:45 PM   #14
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man, i'm a degen....

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Old 03-22-2011, 11:54 PM   #15
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Everyone who responded has been had, nobody is as stupid as the first post.
I've been around the block enough times to know otherwise.
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I've been around the block enough times to know otherwise.
Yeah -- this story is almost like a baseline, they do get worse.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:28 AM   #17
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Yeah -- this story is almost like a baseline, they do get worse.
So you both think that someone smart enough to use a computer and post on this web site using mostly complete sentences, actually thinks that a game animation for computerized roulette is an actual representation of the process for picking the number?

Even if, as some posters contemplated, the game had a sophisticated physics engine to show how a real ball would bounce, it STILL would not have any connection to the picking of the numbers in the computerized game. Ever. Never. It would merely be a good animation that is programmed to end in the chosen slot already picked by an RNG.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:47 AM   #18
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I think there are plenty of people who would think they're being cheated if a smooth animation has a sudden jerk before showing the final number, yes.
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Old 03-23-2011, 10:40 AM   #19
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So you both think that someone smart enough to use a computer and post on this web site using mostly complete sentences, actually thinks that a game animation for computerized roulette is an actual representation of the process for picking the number?

Even if, as some posters contemplated, the game had a sophisticated physics engine to show how a real ball would bounce, it STILL would not have any connection to the picking of the numbers in the computerized game. Ever. Never. It would merely be a good animation that is programmed to end in the chosen slot already picked by an RNG.
Just because someone is functionally literate doesn't necessarily preclude mental illness or disability.
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So you both think that someone smart enough to use a computer and post on this web site using mostly complete sentences, actually thinks that a game animation for computerized roulette is an actual representation of the process for picking the number?

Even if, as some posters contemplated, the game had a sophisticated physics engine to show how a real ball would bounce, it STILL would not have any connection to the picking of the numbers in the computerized game. Ever. Never. It would merely be a good animation that is programmed to end in the chosen slot already picked by an RNG.
Yes. People do respond to the animations they see on the screen -- you can even see it in their body language -- as if they were playing a pinball machine. Watch slot machines players. That's why people go through so much effort to make the animations look real. Certainly the game would be much faster if the casino simply flashed the result in a few nanoseconds -- "YOU LOSE!" or "YOU WIN 10!" There's no need for the actual game to play or the reels to spin. The same is true for scratch lottery tickets -- the most successful tickets ever created are crosswords and bingo, which take a long time to play and build suspense toward the final numbers -- these are the games people love to play, even though -- as we know -- there is really no game taking place. The better the graphics, the better the illusion -- and when the graphics fail, the illusion is burst. It's like watching a magic trick. You know it's not real, but you also don't want the magician to fail.
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Yes. People do respond to the animations they see on the screen -- you can even see it in their body language -- as if they were playing a pinball machine. Watch slot machines players. That's why people go through so much effort to make the animations look real. Certainly the game would be much faster if the casino simply flashed the result in a few nanoseconds -- "YOU LOSE!" or "YOU WIN 10!" There's no need for the actual game to play or the reels to spin.
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The better the graphics, the better the illusion .
I agree with all this. But most people know that the graphics are to enhance the entertainment, and if they give it a moment's thought they also know the little cartoon ball isn't actually picking their number.
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I agree with all this. But most people know that the graphics are to enhance the entertainment, and if they give it a moment's thought they also know the little cartoon ball isn't actually picking their number.
I don't think most people can make that leap -- most people on this forum, yes -- but most people here have thought about it for more than a moment. If most people could figure it out there would be no need for all the near-miss programming.
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Old 04-06-2011, 07:35 AM   #23
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Re: crazy online roulette moment, explain please.

Always use fast play in any online casino....anything you can do to keep your head in the zone thats its all rigged and youre just trying to get lucky is good...i am fairly convinced these things randomly pick a good loser for you, there are far too many patterns I have observed to learn it can't be legit...I am quite a winning player in real roulette wheels for this reason I believe....in my mind, if I was running an online casino, I would want to ensure that I couldn't get hit and run one day and lose thanks to variance....if someone else is winning big somewhere, then someone else needs to be losing bigger somewhere else, or I can't be sure of my 2.5% edge...so manually implement a system that allows winners and losers to compensate each other and randomly assign a nice loser...
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Old 04-06-2011, 07:45 AM   #24
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Re: crazy online roulette moment, explain please.

Lol online roulette...I remember burning up Visa gift cards in HS...
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if I was running an online casino, I would want to ensure that I couldn't get hit and run one day and lose thanks to variance....if someone else is winning big somewhere, then someone else needs to be losing bigger somewhere else, or I can't be sure of my 2.5% edge...
Volume makes the casino very very sure, there's no need to intervene in a normal distribution. It doesn't even take a very large number of spins to be virtually certain of being ahead with a 5.3% edge, or even on single zero at 2.6%. A few hundred spins will almost never be under water. At just 500 spins, the casino losing would be a >5 SD event. At 1000 spins it's over 7 SD (american wheel) or about 30 million to 1 against. At 5,000 spins a day it will never happen before the sun burns out.

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